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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg hi folks you know

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a couple of weeks ago we had Kurt Sutter

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Lee who was on the show to talk about

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the Maury island UFO case probably a

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hoax and also by Kenneth Arnold and

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during the course of that discussion we

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mentioned a Pennsylvania based UFO

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researcher named with Floyd Murray who

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at the time lived in Wayne Pennsylvania

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and now I heard from one of our

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listeners that Floyd actually died back

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in 2004 I'm sorry to hear that he was

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really a smart guy very dedicated UFO

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researcher and he had done a lot of work

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trying to learn about the secrets if

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there were any of this character Fred

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Lee Chrisman who was not just one of the

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people involved in the Maury Allen case

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but years later was one of the people

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who was under investigation for possible

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involvement in the Kennedy assassination

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by Jim Garrison the New Orleans District

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Attorney really weird

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so we're sorry to hear about Floyd and

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our best to his friends and family to

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get the news comes to us so late in the

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game this week we have Chris on the road

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again almost literally leaving England

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Kingman by the way folks is in Arizona

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we out the country now you're in a

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moving vehicle now right yeah okay so

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it's very possible you're going to

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disappear pretty much the whole way we

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should be good okay that works that

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works now one of our subjects we're

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gonna talk about just very briefly and

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this is an ongoing issue of course

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mutual UFO network has had a few changes

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in leadership not too long ago we had a

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former director who talked about some

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unpleasant encounters with MUFON then he

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left and we had cliff Clifford who of

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course was the replacement

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International director on the power cast

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and since then he stepped down I guess

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due to family reasons and the leadership

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was taken over by someone named David

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MacDonald and they moved all the files

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from MUFON to McDonald's area which is

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Cincinnati Ohio okay all well and good

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we wish them the best

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and then don't know if you heard this

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yet but Jim Mosley is going to be

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talking in a forthcoming issue of saucer

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smear that David McDonald monks his many

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pursuits and business he runs a

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mile-high club

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did you hear anything about that Chris

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intriguing where do I book folks if you

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don't know what a mile-high club is just

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think of a couple going on a plane and

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having fun not that they don't have fun

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on planes now but this is for the

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well-heeled

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yeah okay okay Chris isn't Capades in

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the late seventies early eighties that

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man rated but I guess we're gonna have

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to wait for all the details to come out

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the Mosley's article correct how much of

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this has been confirmed Jean well okay

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this is of course based on conversations

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that Mosley had with our friend lance

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Moody who was a skeptic of course but

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remember also that lance moody this

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appears to be a Lance thing and remember

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a little and Lance by the way also was

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the guy who helped expose Phil and Brock

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no so it's not as if we should take this

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as being necessarily false think of

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Lance's don't get deep into it chances

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it's very real right we're gonna have to

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thingy about this the intriguing

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development I wonder if there's special

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rates for MUFON members to get their

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wings well I think the only criticism

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would be here is not that the guy isn't

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allowed to make a living and having

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somebody who may be independently rather

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well-off to head MUFON may be a good

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thing this way they don't have to

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succumb to a third party

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and certain demands like a guy like

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robert bigelow to fund their research

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but i guess they're thinking that

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someone who's involved in that business

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maybe you know it doesn't create the

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same air of scientific research that's

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essential i don't think it's a big deal

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myself I mean you don't think it's

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impact with the gravitas I don't know

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you know that would be an interesting

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question it depends on what aspects of

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the media go after the story if they go

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after the story there is a concept to

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become a member of the mile-high club

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while flying over the Bible Belt yeah

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well the thing I am more interested in

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is whether MUFON members get a discount

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that's all buddy what's your take on it

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Chris do you think it could cause

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negative publicity I think it might make

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MUFON a little sexier actually yeah you

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know this kind of this feeling about

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MUFON that it's old and staid it

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consists of 65 something's who and staff

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attending the Rotary Club meetings go to

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a UFO Club and we don't want that we

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want to have state-of-the-art research

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we want to have something where people

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are going to use the latest technologies

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to try to figure out what's going on in

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any case it's one of those things you

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know we always help of course that UFO

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research will progress in a positive

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fashion that people will take the

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efforts of serious researchers and we

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hope that they will not consider them

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just wacky stories that there's a

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serious reason for people to be involved

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in finding out what UFOs are all about

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and because the international director

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of a UFO related organization decides

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that maybe he wants to be in the

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business of offering people flights to

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have fun that's fine as I said as long

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as it's legal as long as he's making a

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living which is pretty hard in this day

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and age as most of you know well that's

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a good idea

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that's okay we can dig that that's gonna

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be I guess a forthcoming issue of Jim

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Mosely saucer smear magazine and it's

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interesting to see how Jim will regard

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this subject

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think he's gonna have fun with it you

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know because Jim has always talked about

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such thing as as sex and saucers it's

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also fair to say that focusing on what

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might be the seamy side of UFO research

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might not attract serious scientists to

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the field maybe it does draw the wrong

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kind of attention but of course with Jim

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Mosley saucers smear anything goes he'll

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talk about most anything related to UFOs

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and a lot of the side issues involving

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the personalities and the quirks and all

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that he's gonna talk about that too so

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we will have to see what Jim says the

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next issue of saucer smear kind of weird

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kind of fun we don't know any case we're

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doing here

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a sequel a part two of last week's

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episode the para cast our guest was

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Nancy Talbot of BLT research a longtime

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researcher into crop circles but she was

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also talking about a psychic she's been

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in touch with with a number of years

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Robert Van den Broeck and about his very

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very unusual encounters and as you might

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expect of course when you bring up a

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person of that sort who does psychic

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readings supposedly have seen strange

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things photographed strange things etc

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etc well you can't expect of course that

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it's going to have well kind of a mixed

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reaction on last week's episode we had a

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little controversial point and people

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making a big deal up here that one of

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the people in BLT research the L William

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Levengood that Chris identified

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Levengood as a doctor

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he's not opes yeah is it's an oops

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moment but why they're making such a big

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deal of it anything that can suit as

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he's worked out she spent 20 years

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bringing the client to all these

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wonderful recover here on the cases and

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Nancy disassociated herself with any

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mention of them after years and years

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ago and actually put out a press release

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or something

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and I think it's disingenuous of people

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to just be looking for a handy little

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thing that they can to knock down a

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whole decades what they're very that's

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the point right there and resides the

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text of the letter that Nancy wrote was

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reprinted in our forms I guess we

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shouldn't just keep emphasizing this but

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I think people will nitpick and look for

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anything and certainly that's a very

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serious question is about Robert and

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we're going to ask those questions too

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so we have Nancy Talbot returning with

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Robert van den Broeck with Jean and

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go for episode two we have Nancy Talbot

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of BLT research he's a longtime

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researcher into crop circles and we have

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someone who was new to the show but

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you've heard about him because we've

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been discussing his various experiences

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robert van den Broeck how're you doing

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I'm doing good are you also there we're

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doing very well it's raining a little

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bit in Arizona but otherwise the weather

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is just great oh can you tell us

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something about where you live maybe

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give our listeners a picture what the

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surroundings are light so we get a sense

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of who you are and where you are yes

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trend abrooke maybe some people mostly

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maybe some people don't know me I live

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in the Netherlands that it's a very

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small country and I live in in a very

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quiet area that's open and you have

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there yeah lots of nature fields it's a

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small village and I'm born there and I

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rode up there and they are also starting

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online experience with with other

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dimensions and it was starting very

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early when I was young when I was a

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child I will see lots of things I will

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see what I'm late er understands dead

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people and some creatures and I was few

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things it was read minds from people and

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I was think self that

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totally but everyone that everyone was

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having that and that it was normal part

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of life now Robert let me ask you a few

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questions about this okay

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how old were you when you first sensed

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things that seem to be unusual I have a

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photographic memory I remember myself

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that I was three that I was having the

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first experience and that was when my

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parents was bringing me to beds as a

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little child then when they must go away

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then I was he figures coming out the

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walls standing around my bed they must

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say nothing there was only watch to me

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and then I was sometimes yelling to my

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parents and say whatever see and then

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they were saying a matter what there was

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nothing you know there was nothing there

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and I was here that I was he did sort of

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things and there was a very well late

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when I was grow up then I was

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I see more more things and then also the

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play was play with a friend of me and I

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was seen saying she doesn't see any man

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in the opening from the door and then I

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was saying look they're sending a man a

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friend will say I see nothing you know

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and then I was realized from probably

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you know and they're my parents have

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learned me from Institute's okay so

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you're three years old you start seeing

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something and did you understand then at

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all much about what you're seeing

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because obviously you're looking at now

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in retrospect years years later you're

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seeing gee I saw stuff that was really

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strange

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now when you were interacting with your

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friends as a child

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you were also saying strange things

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other than the physical people yes yes

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yes yes that's true and and when I was

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fairly young Thomas not realised that

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later I was realized it yes yes okay so

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at that point would it be a situation

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where you you tell a friend hey do you

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see that person over there and the

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friend says what are you talking about

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you

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yes and then I was realized on my

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goodness there I was think on that

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moment it's just something no goods in

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my head and later now I understand that

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it was something to do with my gifts I

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must have a terrible childhood also when

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I was young was terrible for me yes but

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now I can handle it

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okay terrible in a sense of children

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playing games with you're playing pranks

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very difficult that that other people

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was not seeded and that in the begin

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they was thinking that was something not

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good to my head and also psychologic

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people was think that and in the

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beginning later

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yeah it was coming more understanding

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and they were see that I was saying

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things that was absolutely truly was

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read minds and that sort of things

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okay let me ask you about that did your

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parents take you to a psychologist or

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psychiatrist to figure out what's going

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on okay what happened

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the result was that that they was decide

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the psychotic people was decides that I

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must go to a psychiatric jobs Institute

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and stay there in and it was very

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difficult and they must put me in an

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sort of hospital and that was terrible

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for me I when they was bringing me to it

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I was trying to escape

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out of the car and every time and around

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two weeks I must come to home okay so

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Robert you were in this hospital and

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then you kept trying to escape yes yes

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that's absolutely true I was it was a

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terrible time for me and I was trying to

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wear my

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parents my father my mother was my

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father and my mother was put me in the

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car I mean about driving with me on the

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highway then I was trying to escape I

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was far too terrible I was having an

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affair with deep bonds a very deep

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emotional connection with my mother and

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I was then 12 was very you know very

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Freight when I was must go to some other

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place

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and it was terrible for me I was and

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then then there was bring me to that

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isolation place and then I must stay

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there for a year and that was terrible

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for me I was all that crying and and

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we'll go to home and there was also dare

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not understanding a it's a open that

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place there was sitting charts with wit

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with terrible aggression and that sort

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of things did they attack you at all no

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okay so you were kind of lucky in that

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sense it's as a year we're talking about

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here right yes

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yeah years or so and you kept trying to

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escape yes yes yes yes yes he didn't try

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to physically escape from the hospital

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what he tried to do was not go back to

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it when he would go home so we set up

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here is that every so often he'd go home

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to visit his parents and every time they

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take him back to the hospital he was

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freaking out it was just really decide

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for him okay now I just want to get the

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clarification so let's look at the

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pictures so far we have our guest Robert

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Van den Broeck he discovers what he says

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our unusual abilities powers whatever as

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a child act 12 he's taken to a

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psychiatric hospital for treatment and

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goes back home every two weeks to his

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parents what a horrendous experience we

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have Nancy Talbot with Robert van den

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Broeck we'll have more coming on the

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other side of the paragraph

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and great talk radio starts here Ray

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anywhere else hear that George snoring

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we return with Nancy Talbot Robert Van

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den Broeck and Robert is telling us

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about some pretty pretty horrific

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experiences as a child you're 12 years

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old Robert you're sent to this hospital

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to treat what they perceive to be

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psychiatric problems

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every so often you go back home to see

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your family and when your parents take

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you back it's really really difficult

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for you

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so while you were in the hospital they

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drugged you up they give you lots of

606
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medication and stuff before I was go to

607
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the hospitals give me a very happy

608
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medicines that was very happy that was

609
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not me

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very strong crowd and then there was

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very decided that I must go to a

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psychiatric hospital for Charles and

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then there was bring me there and around

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the two weeks I can go a weekend to home

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and then Sunday evening I must go back

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it was very terrible for me I was

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missing my parents so terrible and then

618
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they was bring me there and I was whole

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time all are very strong my hands are

620
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out her arms and then most they must

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took me away from her and bring me food

622
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to my sleep room it was very frightening

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for you now you stayed how long in this

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hospital a year you and what happened at

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that year that you just go home do they

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decide well you know what there's

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nothing we can do for you that you're

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cured what and then the miracle was

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happening they will tell my parents when

630
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I was in that hospital that I will ever

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ever come home that is very terrible

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with me and that I think that I must

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live my whole life and Institute's and

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it was terrible for my parents you know

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the world that was destroyed their world

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them creature fishing from me and then I

637
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was stay there for we are a couple for

638
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months and then there was a woman there

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and see what's working there a nurse and

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see I was very reverent very I was very

641
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emotional was having very big troubles

642
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there I was see things I was hearing

643
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things and then I was asked out some

644
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nurse there can I talk about can I talk

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with you and see was say of course I

646
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must say I see things and few things and

647
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they think that I'm crazy - maybe

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something else go can that exist and

649
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then she was asked some other nurse to

650
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come and that was yummy post that is her

651
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name she was sitting by me as he was say

652
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on middlee oh you are not crazy

653
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I feel immediately what's going on with

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you and see was bring me a book from

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auras and from coalesce around people I

656
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was seated all the time that was exactly

657
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what I was seated things that standing

658
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in the book as he was say to me I will

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save you and it's common good stay in

660
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your rest it's common good I will help

661
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you let me understand this

662
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:40,600
this is a book that you got that helped

663
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you adjust the nurse understood that

664
00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:48,460
Robert was just unusual and brought him

665
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a book I think it was about Carol and

666
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:54,820
photography the auras that yes around

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living things

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00:31:03,120 --> 00:30:59,800
Robert had never heard of this seeing it

669
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in a book he then was able to realize oh

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00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:05,770
my goodness this is exactly what I am

671
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seeing so you get a sense Robert here

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00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:10,630
that you're not alone in this world

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other people see unusual things - yes

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yes okay okay so you went home at this

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00:31:20,669 --> 00:31:18,100
point at some point

676
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:20,679
after this a year they decide hey you're

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cured or that your parents just say no

678
00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:24,640
we're not gonna take you back what

679
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:29,230
happened now CC will say that and that

680
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:32,049
was very terrible I I don't know how you

681
00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:35,289
say Nancy that when you when somebody

682
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:38,620
they put somebody artists work that's a

683
00:31:47,159 --> 00:31:44,950
yeah let's see woman then went to some

684
00:31:51,299 --> 00:31:47,169
of the people the doctors at the

685
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,309
hospital and made it clear that Robert

686
00:31:58,860 --> 00:31:53,919
was you know had these unusual things

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00:32:03,330 --> 00:31:58,870
that she knew about and he advocated for

688
00:32:05,789 --> 00:32:03,340
Roberts sanity and they fired her yes

689
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:05,799
yes it was very terrible okay they fired

690
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:08,770
her but you got out anyway yes yes he

691
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:11,950
was a very gifted woman and as you say

692
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,620
that and a yes he must not welcome more

693
00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:17,679
then I was stay there and the doctors

694
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:21,880
were say to my parents listen when you

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00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:25,380
go far red roads in the paranormal world

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00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:28,720
you know we we stopped with everything

697
00:32:34,529 --> 00:32:30,970
and my parents were straight you know

698
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:34,539
there was not really sure of wet roads

699
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:36,730
they must decide this they didn't know

700
00:32:40,169 --> 00:32:38,200
what to do with you because you're doing

701
00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:40,179
and seeing strange things

702
00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:43,630
so eventually though they I guess had to

703
00:32:48,419 --> 00:32:46,360
learn to adjust to this now did anybody

704
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:48,429
else in your family have strange things

705
00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:51,280
happen to them yeah my grandmother was

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half dead and and I can tell you very

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short how I was go go away from the

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Institute there then mine there was

709
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:08,950
dying some ants from my mother and I my

710
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mother have a nephew and the woman the

711
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lady the wife from the nephew where he

712
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marriage wits see was say to my parents

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00:33:27,770 --> 00:33:24,000
how is Robert doing and I have some

714
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:27,780
feeling that he is not crazy mother he

715
00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:31,220
have some gifts and you know that was

716
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:35,040
the three time that somebody was say

717
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that that that I was gifted she was

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00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,870
saying I very strongly feeling that I

719
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must save him

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go to Rennes Hendrix and she was go

721
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:46,350
coming by ranch Hendrix and this is that

722
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Nancy which explain who is referring to

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a very he's a spiritual advisor a very

724
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well known an amazing man who has been

725
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:03,960
doing I guess readings you would call it

726
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:10,020
Robert readings yeah he do readings and

727
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:13,919
and healings yes yes and at any rate so

728
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:16,770
Roberts mother found out about this man

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00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:20,510
and arranged to take Robert Torrence

730
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:23,790
which they then did and rents

731
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:26,730
immediately recognized that Robert in

732
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fact was very much like himself and

733
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:33,720
observing and seeing and experiencing

734
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these events which rents as a grown man

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and a man in practice for many years and

736
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:42,359
so since then so he would tell him to

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00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,460
long story short he would explain to

738
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:47,040
Robert these various abilities and what

739
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:49,290
they signified right he helped Robert

740
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:52,649
understand them yes okay so it was very

741
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difficult or my parents was go to him

742
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with a picture from me and Rance was

743
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feeling that I must not stuff coming

744
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:01,950
that was also not possible and I was in

745
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the Institute and then he was helping me

746
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,560
through the picture and my parents was

747
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not tell when there was parents and I

748
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:12,750
was feel exactly the time and the

749
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minutes when he was helping me through

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the picture I was tell that to my

751
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:20,040
parents and it was okay to say that's

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00:35:27,609 --> 00:35:22,680
absolutely true we were sort that moment

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parents and I was feel so deep very deep

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truthful laugh I was gay

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sort of telepathic sure against a father

756
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I want to go through into all these

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abilities and where to tell because

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we're getting them muddled together I

759
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want to kind of separate everything so

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okay so your preteen you come out of the

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hospital you meet this person who kind

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of helps you understand what you can do

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now let's look at what you can do okay

764
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what you say you can do number one is

765
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you saw strange people or people who

766
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weren't there as a child and you

767
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:02,270
interpret this as seeing dead people

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right yes oh god sorry Robert go ahead

769
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yes when I was a child was not

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interpretated us dead people I was fing

771
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Dennis was normal and as part of the

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deal well they just regular people that

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you're seeing yes yes yes now later I

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was understand very quick yes they are

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dead people yes well that's a good

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question too and I know that might get

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more involved I'll have Nancy

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maybe intersect with this but first guy

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tell everybody we have Nancy Talbot and

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[Music]

888
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:07,500
this is the skirt 70 author you up on

889
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:09,180
the screens and you're listening to the

890
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:15,180
podcast we returned with Nancy topic

891
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:17,100
Robert venden broke and Roberts been

892
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:19,230
telling us about his experience as a

893
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:23,190
child and later on you learned or began

894
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:25,110
to feel that the people the strange

895
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,820
people you were seeing that other people

896
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:29,760
couldn't see these were dead people now

897
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,170
is that because somebody told you that

898
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:34,560
yes yes yes also and I was recognized

899
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:37,230
some people they was dead and our self

900
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:38,850
also no oh okay

901
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:43,190
they are here and it was for me very

902
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:45,600
acceptable that there is life after the

903
00:41:54,380 --> 00:41:49,410
death and I was have that experience in

904
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:54,390
in some nature natural feeling I know I

905
00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:00,660
was the deceased grandparents and these

906
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:02,550
were people of course that his parents

907
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:05,550
had photographs of and it was one of the

908
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:07,650
ways that Robert started to realize that

909
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:11,460
some of these people he saw were in fact

910
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:14,910
deceased relatives yes exactly

911
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:18,350
okay all right now in addition to seeing

912
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:21,510
deceased relatives do they talk to you

913
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,810
did they talk to you yes yes sometimes

914
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:26,700
there was talk sometimes away there was

915
00:42:32,770 --> 00:42:29,670
saying nothing but well there was there

916
00:42:35,090 --> 00:42:32,780
were yesterday was there was talk

917
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:35,100
sometimes and they were say sometimes

918
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:38,190
also things that I must say and then I

919
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:41,250
was there were some things in my mind

920
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:43,320
and then I was know that it was true and

921
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:47,160
sometimes they will say also beddy-time

922
00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:49,620
strings okay let me just understand this

923
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:51,750
a little bit further Robert okay when

924
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:53,010
they talked to you did you hear

925
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,840
something in your mind or did you hear

926
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:56,520
what sounded like a normal person's

927
00:43:04,070 --> 00:42:59,880
voice sometimes I was hearing really a

928
00:43:06,279 --> 00:43:04,080
voice in my head and many times now when

929
00:43:08,439 --> 00:43:06,289
I give readings Fink's

930
00:43:12,909 --> 00:43:08,449
coming a fairly strong knowing in my

931
00:43:17,019 --> 00:43:12,919
hands and the energy used my mind talk

932
00:43:18,459 --> 00:43:17,029
to put some image in it for example if I

933
00:43:20,019 --> 00:43:18,469
was sitting next to you and you're

934
00:43:21,969 --> 00:43:20,029
seeing these things or getting a reading

935
00:43:24,549 --> 00:43:21,979
I wouldn't see anything I wouldn't hear

936
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:24,559
anything would I know okay it's only you

937
00:43:28,269 --> 00:43:26,660
that hears this yes this is not

938
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,279
something that transfers to somebody

939
00:43:32,949 --> 00:43:30,319
else it's you okay in addition to seeing

940
00:43:35,859 --> 00:43:32,959
or hearing a person who is apparently

941
00:43:37,859 --> 00:43:35,869
not alive what else were you able to do

942
00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:37,869
you talked about reading people's minds

943
00:43:47,169 --> 00:43:42,380
yes a quest at what did you develop that

944
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:47,179
ability and that ability was that was my

945
00:43:53,469 --> 00:43:50,150
whole in my whole childhood I was see

946
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:53,479
you know I was know people was lying and

947
00:43:57,729 --> 00:43:55,609
then I was jumping in to the people I

948
00:44:03,999 --> 00:43:57,739
was saying oh he's lying you know I must

949
00:44:07,269 --> 00:44:04,009
do that and that was very yeah you know

950
00:44:10,929 --> 00:44:07,279
that and later I was learned to get

951
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:10,939
feeling from a tick you know to learn to

952
00:44:17,409 --> 00:44:15,169
took my mouth and don't do that and you

953
00:44:20,049 --> 00:44:17,419
know that was difficult you know it was

954
00:44:23,709 --> 00:44:20,059
difficult I will see sometimes really

955
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:23,719
what people's thinking I was yeah I must

956
00:44:25,809 --> 00:44:25,339
know also what was happening in the

957
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:25,819
future

958
00:44:30,909 --> 00:44:29,359
okay lot of things are coming down the

959
00:44:34,299 --> 00:44:30,919
pike here let's just try to understand

960
00:44:37,029 --> 00:44:34,309
them okay so first of all do you feel

961
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:37,039
you could feel or sense what someone's

962
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:39,169
thinking is this something that is based

963
00:44:43,029 --> 00:44:41,630
on a proximity I mean the nearness to

964
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:43,039
somebody if you're next to them maybe

965
00:44:46,329 --> 00:44:44,630
you can feel what they're feeling or

966
00:44:51,579 --> 00:44:46,339
thinking or can you do this long

967
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,589
distance both both yes somebody around

968
00:44:55,299 --> 00:44:53,359
the world who's hooked up to you by a

969
00:44:57,789 --> 00:44:55,309
Skype connection network connection

970
00:44:59,919 --> 00:44:57,799
maybe you can feel what they're thinking

971
00:45:01,689 --> 00:44:59,929
or maybe somebody who's on the road with

972
00:45:04,959 --> 00:45:01,699
a cell phone you can think of you're

973
00:45:07,959 --> 00:45:04,969
thinking yeah it's not this technical so

974
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:07,969
so possible that when I walk on the

975
00:45:12,819 --> 00:45:09,890
street that I know everything from

976
00:45:14,979 --> 00:45:12,829
everybody that's this that's not true my

977
00:45:17,339 --> 00:45:14,989
when I concentrate myself and when I

978
00:45:20,219 --> 00:45:17,349
sitting in the reading I've learned

979
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:20,229
do direct oats and um oh and I was

980
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:22,569
sitting in the reading energy you okay

981
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:24,700
me are you though I'm saying so for

982
00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:26,890
example not always Jean okay no I

983
00:45:31,499 --> 00:45:29,109
understand that but I'm saying if you're

984
00:45:34,529 --> 00:45:31,509
hooked into say Nancy and Nancy is in

985
00:45:37,049 --> 00:45:34,539
Massachusetts and you're in Europe can

986
00:45:40,349 --> 00:45:37,059
you sense what she is thinking sometimes

987
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:40,359
yes yes yes you have to know the person

988
00:45:45,749 --> 00:45:42,609
first like for example you don't know me

989
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:45,759
you've known me only 40 minutes or so 45

990
00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:48,690
minutes do you know what I was thinking

991
00:45:55,529 --> 00:45:51,759
this moment I can when I give you a

992
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,539
reading I I can it's very strong

993
00:46:02,489 --> 00:45:57,640
possible that I know things for you that

994
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:02,499
I can absolutely not know that I know

995
00:46:07,259 --> 00:46:04,420
things from you on this moment and

996
00:46:08,819 --> 00:46:07,269
offerings from from debt relatives from

997
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:08,829
you and I know things from the future

998
00:46:15,089 --> 00:46:12,190
from you and I say also the readings are

999
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:15,099
very proof 'el and that's that they are

1000
00:46:23,729 --> 00:46:18,910
a very strong example from life after

1001
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:23,739
the death and it's not so you know I'm

1002
00:46:28,349 --> 00:46:25,210
not an illusionist

1003
00:46:30,569 --> 00:46:28,359
I'm not a Mentalist you know I'm real

1004
00:46:34,289 --> 00:46:30,579
okay I'm analyst is somebody who is

1005
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,299
using not who's using tricks it's like

1006
00:46:38,459 --> 00:46:36,160
the TV show The Mentalist here in

1007
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:38,469
America maybe you think yes so this is

1008
00:46:45,539 --> 00:46:43,079
right where somebody who's a former

1009
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,549
Mentalist just an actor or an

1010
00:46:50,009 --> 00:46:48,640
entertainer works as a consultant for

1011
00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:50,019
the police because he has good insights

1012
00:46:54,209 --> 00:46:51,819
and the people but if I asked you for

1013
00:46:57,209 --> 00:46:54,219
example hey Robert during the course of

1014
00:46:59,249 --> 00:46:57,219
the show as I talked to you would you

1015
00:47:00,959 --> 00:46:59,259
make an effort to try to think what I'm

1016
00:47:02,999 --> 00:47:00,969
thinking try to sense it and tell me

1017
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:03,009
what you find out and I won't be

1018
00:47:07,709 --> 00:47:05,140
embarrassed if you want to suggest that

1019
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:07,719
I'm afraid not what we set up to do no I

1020
00:47:15,450 --> 00:47:12,640
understand I think that that what Robert

1021
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:15,460
wants to do and what I agreed to do was

1022
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:17,890
to give an overview no I understand that

1023
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:19,930
Nancy but he's I'm asking him if he can

1024
00:47:24,269 --> 00:47:21,609
do it he doesn't have to do it okay

1025
00:47:25,709 --> 00:47:24,279
Nancy yes well you know he doesn't think

1026
00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:25,719
he can do it we're not holding him to

1027
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:27,320
the fire here

1028
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:29,690
no we just say look I raised the issue

1029
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:32,990
can he do it and this is why you know

1030
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:35,060
it's a spontaneous show and we are

1031
00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:36,560
trying to find out what it can do if he

1032
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:38,420
comes up and says you know what yes this

1033
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:40,430
is doesn't make sense I I can't do this

1034
00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:42,260
because I don't know this person that's

1035
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:43,780
fine I'm not putting this feature

1036
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,870
something else listen listen this this

1037
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:52,640
this sort of things is possible when I

1038
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:55,130
get some spotting the insight about

1039
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:58,490
about you I will say that right that's

1040
00:48:00,820 --> 00:47:59,330
all I'm asking

1041
00:48:03,550 --> 00:48:00,830
Chris you have any questions to ask

1042
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:03,560
before we go on yeah I was gonna say

1043
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:06,830
that I think this is a really good mini

1044
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:08,510
experiment here on the show I love it

1045
00:48:14,020 --> 00:48:11,180
when we have interactive examples of a

1046
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:14,030
person's talent and insight and Robert

1047
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:16,010
if you pick up anything about me what

1048
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:19,130
I'm doing I'm feeling or thinking by all

1049
00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:21,170
means I'd be very happy to listen for

1050
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:24,980
that too but let's continue on now and

1051
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:28,010
talk about your amazing abilities that

1052
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:29,690
we talked about it length with Nancy

1053
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:31,490
when she was on the show last week so

1054
00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:34,490
genomes like to sort okay let's move

1055
00:48:40,270 --> 00:48:38,900
from sensing somebody's thinking if it

1056
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:40,280
happens it happens if it doesn't happen

1057
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:41,870
we're not holding your feet to the fire

1058
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,790
but I thought was fair to raise the

1059
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:46,400
question okay other than reading

1060
00:48:50,830 --> 00:48:48,290
someone's minds you said something about

1061
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:50,840
predicting the future to what extent can

1062
00:48:59,020 --> 00:48:57,440
you do this yes when I give people the

1063
00:49:00,820 --> 00:48:59,030
reading okay what are you saying there

1064
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:00,830
is spontaneous you know it just happens

1065
00:49:04,270 --> 00:49:01,370
go ahead

1066
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:04,280
sure yes yes when I give people a

1067
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:09,080
reading then I get image from the future

1068
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:13,670
also from the moment now and also from

1069
00:49:19,060 --> 00:49:16,850
the past and I wasn't always that person

1070
00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:19,070
in other words that person's past and

1071
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:23,060
future or a general future event yes yes

1072
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,660
exactly

1073
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:26,000
which one which one for the person or

1074
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:29,510
just a question gene he didn't

1075
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,070
understand the quest that's why I'm

1076
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:34,640
trying to explain it okay is it that

1077
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:38,830
person that person future and past or

1078
00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:41,370
just something in the future

1079
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:44,190
that might happen to anyone now oh it's

1080
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:46,710
dead future from that person okay all

1081
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:49,950
right so specific to that person yes yes

1082
00:49:55,610 --> 00:49:53,910
okay so give me an example of how or

1083
00:49:58,340 --> 00:49:55,620
what you might predict someone comes to

1084
00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:58,350
you can you give me an example of what

1085
00:50:01,630 --> 00:50:00,150
you actually predicted about a person's

1086
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:01,640
future that came to pass

1087
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:08,810
yes yes I have all my websites and we

1088
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:12,420
translated now we prove we will put a

1089
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:15,510
voiceover we work in arms now this week

1090
00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:20,430
and coming weeks I have to set up

1091
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,270
interviews with clients with people that

1092
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,460
was having experience with me there was

1093
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,280
very proof oh and they tell them stories

1094
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,440
now on my website that people can see

1095
00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:33,300
that also and there is common law soaked

1096
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,230
in English voiceover in it and then

1097
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,420
people can hear it but they are very

1098
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:41,700
strange things going on you know that

1099
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:45,480
that I see things on the future and

1100
00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:48,690
that's that is coming very very very

1101
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,190
clear out that that I see what color of

1102
00:51:00,220 --> 00:50:55,380
the houses that I get what the number of

1103
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:00,230
the houses that I get I see some also

1104
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:05,040
health but things body parts things

1105
00:51:09,020 --> 00:51:06,810
things that will happening in the future

1106
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:09,030
somebody gets sick you'll know that

1107
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:10,440
person maybe has a heart attack or

1108
00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:13,650
broken lady yes yes yes and well I say

1109
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,080
go to the doctor and then they go to the

1110
00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:18,000
doctor and it's it's all the time true

1111
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:20,820
nine from the ten times it's it's true

1112
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,250
okay I do our break now Robert will

1113
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:26,160
continue we have robert van den Broeck

1114
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:28,530
Nancy Talbot with Jean and Chris you're

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again that's juicy and live.com hi this

1133
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:21,130
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

1134
00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:22,840
why banks stockbrokers investment

1135
00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:24,700
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

1136
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,980
they've been available since 1986 yet

1137
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:28,720
the financial industry won't recognize

1138
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the value of gold for your retirement

1139
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call this outperform paper investments

1140
00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:34,720
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

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1142
00:53:03,260 --> 00:52:58,950
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1143
00:53:10,799 --> 00:53:03,270
standard of paranormal radio and now

1144
00:53:12,539 --> 00:53:10,809
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1145
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:12,549
Chris here in the para cast we're

1146
00:53:17,069 --> 00:53:14,890
talking to Robert van den Broeck and you

1147
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,079
understand that English is his second

1148
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:18,880
language but I think he's doing great

1149
00:53:23,099 --> 00:53:20,890
because I can't speak your language or

1150
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:23,109
any language other than English which I

1151
00:53:26,609 --> 00:53:25,000
struggle through so I think you're doing

1152
00:53:28,890 --> 00:53:26,619
very well we're trying to understand the

1153
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,900
abilities you have so the reason I asked

1154
00:53:33,779 --> 00:53:30,640
about predicting the future is of course

1155
00:53:35,970 --> 00:53:33,789
I can't come to you Robert and say all

1156
00:53:37,859 --> 00:53:35,980
right give me the lottery numbers so

1157
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:37,869
when they have Powerball here in the

1158
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,089
United States and 600 million dollars

1159
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:41,920
you can't give me that number that's not

1160
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:44,710
gonna happen no that's not working so in

1161
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:47,740
that way that's that's you know they're

1162
00:53:55,289 --> 00:53:52,210
working only from above for very you

1163
00:53:58,980 --> 00:53:55,299
know for wisdom for if people wish them

1164
00:54:01,230 --> 00:53:58,990
for if people grow processes give people

1165
00:54:04,019 --> 00:54:01,240
spiritual insights what really is

1166
00:54:07,019 --> 00:54:04,029
important of about the health you know

1167
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:07,029
my notes of about dead people of about

1168
00:54:13,470 --> 00:54:11,170
learning spiritual things okay can't go

1169
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:13,480
in there and say look I'm broke can you

1170
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,270
tell me how to win this lotto can you

1171
00:54:24,029 --> 00:54:18,400
know me you can't help them with the

1172
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:24,039
stock no no no that's this no not the

1173
00:54:30,329 --> 00:54:27,520
eye contacts which have you know with

1174
00:54:32,430 --> 00:54:30,339
the light contact utilize they don't do

1175
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,440
that you know there is everybody the

1176
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:35,200
same and everybody has the same rights

1177
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:38,170
and they do only what's it's really good

1178
00:54:42,059 --> 00:54:40,450
for you and not okay do you think then

1179
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:42,069
and I get the impression of this that

1180
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:44,529
when you harness these abilities you say

1181
00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:47,650
you have that you're talking to some

1182
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:50,020
outside power who's feeding you this

1183
00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:53,380
information is that the sense yes yes so

1184
00:54:58,380 --> 00:54:55,869
somebody else is telling you hey Robert

1185
00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:58,390
here's what's going on do you put a name

1186
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:01,109
on that person or is a general feeling

1187
00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:03,970
what you mean exactly okay what I mean

1188
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:06,849
is there a specific person what he's

1189
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:08,230
going for a Robert

1190
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:12,790
is your understanding of what this

1191
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:16,000
energy is where it comes from what you

1192
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:18,760
would call it this cosmic consciousness

1193
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:21,550
that is what you've told me that's what

1194
00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:22,210
he's after

1195
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:26,859
okay there is some central repository of

1196
00:55:30,450 --> 00:55:29,050
information that you're tapping and I

1197
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:30,460
guess the big question I'd ask before we

1198
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:32,050
go into a lot of other subjects here is

1199
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,810
you are able to have this sensitivity

1200
00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:36,400
and other people claim to have the

1201
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:38,350
sensitivity but is this something that

1202
00:55:44,310 --> 00:55:41,050
can be taught to anybody or do you have

1203
00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:44,320
to be born with it I think that you must

1204
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:46,780
born with it doesn't isn't born right

1205
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:51,400
and you can people can learn to train

1206
00:55:58,290 --> 00:55:54,880
them intuition absolutely everybody can

1207
00:56:02,849 --> 00:55:58,300
learn to listen to the English into the

1208
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:02,859
quiet voice in the intuition when you

1209
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:06,190
it's most all the time the first thing

1210
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:08,560
that's coming up in your mind is the

1211
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:11,530
true playing see somebody is it true

1212
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:13,510
when you took the telephone and you will

1213
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:17,760
call somebody and you put a number in

1214
00:56:23,849 --> 00:56:21,850
the phone is ringing and then you can

1215
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:23,859
feel most all the time in the deep of

1216
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:26,080
the person is home of not home you get

1217
00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:29,980
some set low feeling go listen to your

1218
00:56:36,210 --> 00:56:34,060
gut yes yes try to look into yourself

1219
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:36,220
and you get an idea of what's going on

1220
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:40,440
that's the sense of everybody 10 minutes

1221
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:42,250
therefore don't feel you're necessarily

1222
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:45,250
unique alright let me ask you about a

1223
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:46,810
few other things that we want to get to

1224
00:56:50,099 --> 00:56:48,310
here and this is getting to some of the

1225
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:50,109
stuff that our listeners are asking

1226
00:56:55,260 --> 00:56:52,330
about listeners to our show and that is

1227
00:56:57,810 --> 00:56:55,270
here in her appearance on our show last

1228
00:57:00,420 --> 00:56:57,820
week Nancy was talking about some very

1229
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:00,430
unusual photographs that you took we're

1230
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:01,750
trying to understand them we're trying

1231
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:03,940
to get a sense of them and there's one

1232
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:07,150
where people are asking about called mud

1233
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:10,450
man now what's Mudman about Robert let

1234
00:57:16,109 --> 00:57:13,270
me take this one okay yes okay we've

1235
00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:16,119
been through this many times Jean and we

1236
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:18,280
don't want to spend a lot of time when I

1237
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:19,990
understand Nancy but this is I'm gonna

1238
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:21,770
have numerous questions about

1239
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,090
man and there a lot of people don't

1240
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:25,040
understand our hey so let them listen

1241
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:29,200
now okay if you go to the BLT research

1242
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:32,570
website and you click on van den Broeck

1243
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:35,810
case at the bottom of that page there

1244
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:38,510
are many many reports one of them in

1245
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:40,700
particular is called the apparition

1246
00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:46,790
photos report in this we go into at some

1247
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:50,560
length these thousands and thousands and

1248
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,930
thousands of photographs the Robert has

1249
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:56,000
been taking since he was a child okay

1250
00:57:59,860 --> 00:57:57,950
let's look at the specific ones Nancy's

1251
00:58:02,530 --> 00:57:59,870
if we're gonna be sure about this let's

1252
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:02,540
look at the specific ones Nancy so one

1253
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:05,750
of the specific photos here is mud man

1254
00:58:11,650 --> 00:58:09,170
or sets of photos how was it taken what

1255
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:11,660
is it supposed to be of you let me tell

1256
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:15,050
you I will sure in part two of the

1257
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:18,080
apparition photos report there are a

1258
00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:21,410
whole series of photographs which Robert

1259
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:23,840
took back in 2004

1260
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:26,510
many of these photos not just the Mudman

1261
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:29,960
but many many other photos that Robert

1262
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:33,530
has taken we have subsequently found or

1263
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:35,810
other people have subsequently found

1264
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:39,700
images which existed previously

1265
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,370
somewhere else like in a book or

1266
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:44,720
something which i think is one of the

1267
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:46,370
points that being made but how's the

1268
00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:47,570
photograph being taken I'm not

1269
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:50,420
understanding this you take a photo wait

1270
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:52,280
a minute I'll tell you Robert

1271
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:55,490
in this particular case was up in the

1272
00:59:01,120 --> 00:58:56,930
middle of the night as he usually is

1273
00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:01,130
alone and he simply felt a presence this

1274
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:02,270
happens all the time

1275
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,990
he started to take photographs and these

1276
00:59:11,530 --> 00:59:08,480
images began to appear there are a whole

1277
00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:11,540
bunch of them I have included as many as

1278
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:14,660
I have on in part two of this apparition

1279
00:59:21,730 --> 00:59:19,400
photos report they were subsequently was

1280
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:21,740
discovered the very similar-looking

1281
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:25,040
image existed in a Reader's Digest let

1282
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:26,420
me be specific is that you're not

1283
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:28,220
getting to the point I'm trying to raise

1284
00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:30,050
I want to understand it here thank you

1285
00:59:37,060 --> 00:59:34,460
see let me explain did he see

1286
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:37,070
this image or they just shoot a picture

1287
00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:38,690
and suddenly it shows up I'm gonna get

1288
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,020
there okay let's cover thoroughly some

1289
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:43,520
things rather than everything

1290
00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:45,770
frivolously the point we're not being

1291
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:47,780
frivolous Nancy here this is a question

1292
00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:50,750
if people have an understanding I can

1293
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:54,560
answer it the images in this case Robert

1294
00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:57,410
did not see with his eyes he simply

1295
01:00:02,349 --> 00:59:59,750
photographed them he had never seen

1296
01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:02,359
anything like this in his life he did

1297
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:05,180
not have a copy of this magazine he had

1298
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:07,609
never seen it and the most important

1299
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:09,950
point because most of the people who are

1300
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:12,710
confused about this there what they

1301
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:15,050
don't realize is that Robert did not

1302
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:20,480
have a computer in 2004 the fact that

1303
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:24,560
that people can replicate or come close

1304
01:00:30,579 --> 01:00:28,010
to replicating some of Roberts images

1305
01:00:34,030 --> 01:00:30,589
the fact that they discovered that some

1306
01:00:36,849 --> 01:00:34,040
of these images exist elsewhere in there

1307
01:00:39,220 --> 01:00:36,859
assuming that this means Robert is going

1308
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:39,230
on the internet finding these pictures

1309
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:41,750
and somehow rather putting them on his

1310
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,000
digital camera okay let me ask you a

1311
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:45,680
question here though let's just put this

1312
01:00:52,450 --> 01:00:49,580
together in a focus okay so he takes a

1313
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:52,460
picture and he sees something in the

1314
01:00:57,070 --> 01:00:54,710
digital image that wasn't there when he

1315
01:00:58,839 --> 01:00:57,080
was looking people who were skeptical of

1316
01:01:00,670 --> 01:00:58,849
it go say well you know this isn't

1317
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:00,680
Reader's Digest maybe all he did was

1318
01:01:06,310 --> 01:01:03,920
scan the pictures in okay he didn't have

1319
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:06,320
a computer until July of 2006 but this

1320
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:09,710
picture was taken in July of 2004 one of

1321
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,089
the pictures at your show here not just

1322
01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:13,760
that one there okay so the point being

1323
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,180
here is that regardless of where you may

1324
01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:20,000
see the pictures his pictures the

1325
01:01:24,490 --> 01:01:21,500
problem with his pictures is that they

1326
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:24,500
were taken before he had a computer does

1327
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:25,700
he have friends who have computers

1328
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:28,250
though his parents have computers no

1329
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:31,010
okay and you know this personally yes

1330
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:33,710
okay so you know because here's the

1331
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:35,330
problem I think that people have when

1332
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:37,060
they look at the pictures themselves

1333
01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:41,330
they look like very Jean yeah let me

1334
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:42,740
finish I've got something very

1335
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:44,690
interesting to tell you well you let me

1336
01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:46,190
finish okay we're going to break in a

1337
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:47,840
moment but go ahead and start

1338
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,190
we'll pick up in the next segment the

1339
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:51,920
fact that many of the images which

1340
01:01:58,690 --> 01:01:55,370
appear profits camera are subsequently

1341
01:02:00,610 --> 01:01:58,700
found to exist somewhere is of great

1342
01:02:03,090 --> 01:02:00,620
curiosity to all of us

1343
01:02:06,970 --> 01:02:03,100
the work that we've done so far on

1344
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:06,980
images which we did find elsewhere seems

1345
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:09,770
to indicate that the photos that come on

1346
01:02:16,930 --> 01:02:12,770
robert's camera are not exact replicas

1347
01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:16,940
they are alterations of images which do

1348
01:02:21,610 --> 01:02:19,670
exist somewhere else now let me just

1349
01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:21,620
give you a little bit of information

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that's going to help you and will

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progress in the next part of the segment

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when you explain this and that is let's

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para cast calm we have Nancy Talbott

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Robert Van den Broeck and the issue on

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the discussion here of course is Roberts

1469
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:18,550
abilities as a psychic but also to take

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pictures the big argument has been of

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01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:22,990
course here that the infamous mudman

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:26,350
photos were taken in 2004 but that he

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did not have access to a personal

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01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:32,830
computer until 2006 one of the issues of

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01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:35,320
course is that the pictures you see are

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not exact replicas of what might be in

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01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:40,660
Reader's Digest but let me explain first

1478
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:42,970
of all why skeptics will make this

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01:07:45,060 --> 01:07:44,530
assumption that that's where it came

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:45,070
from

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because you have to realize Photoshop is

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an application it's like clay it's a

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01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:52,090
complete image editing application works

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on the pixel level little tiny bits of

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data and you can do anything you want

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01:07:58,650 --> 01:07:56,890
with it you can change colors you can

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01:08:00,540 --> 01:07:58,660
change shapes you can blur you can

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:00,550
sharpen you can create pictures from

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01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:02,650
scratch you can draw in Photoshop

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creating movie special effects or you

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01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:06,610
can copy and paste from a magazine and

1492
01:08:10,650 --> 01:08:08,710
pop it into another picture and it looks

1493
01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:10,660
like it's there and it's very easy to do

1494
01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:12,430
anybody can learn how to do that really

1495
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:14,740
easily you can also manipulate the image

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01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:17,290
so it's not an exact replica you can

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01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:19,900
make the arm shorter smaller blurrier

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01:08:23,370 --> 01:08:21,670
sharper you understand that when I'm

1499
01:08:24,539 --> 01:08:23,380
making which is why they say this okay

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01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:24,549
this is car

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01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:27,910
in the apparition photos report okay now

1502
01:08:33,180 --> 01:08:31,060
we need to understand here why you feel

1503
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:33,190
this cannot possibly have been done no

1504
01:08:36,900 --> 01:08:34,870
you're saying of course Robert didn't

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01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:36,910
have the computer didn't have access to

1506
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:39,609
it but nobody else that he knows could

1507
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:41,890
possibly have done this for him correct

1508
01:08:47,010 --> 01:08:44,319
okay Jean you know we have to make sure

1509
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:47,020
that our audience knows that many of

1510
01:08:51,450 --> 01:08:49,089
these pictures were taken on somebody

1511
01:08:53,610 --> 01:08:51,460
else's camera with them standing right

1512
01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:53,620
there that's why I want Nancy - now

1513
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:56,140
explain okay we now have the argument we

1514
01:09:00,240 --> 01:08:57,970
framed the argument and the skepticism

1515
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:00,250
that people have been asking about I

1516
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:03,250
like you Nancy to explain why that's not

1517
01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:05,350
so and just like Chris brought up a

1518
01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:06,940
point here that people are standing

1519
01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:08,680
there he takes a picture they don't see

1520
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,260
anything and they look at the memory

1521
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:12,880
stick and they bring up the picture and

1522
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:14,890
there's the object or the person and

1523
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:16,510
what do you want me to do now say why I

1524
01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:18,760
know this isn't so we want you to

1525
01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:22,750
explain why the argument that I just

1526
01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:24,040
gave you which is essentially the

1527
01:09:27,780 --> 01:09:25,720
argument that some skeptics are making

1528
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,790
why that argument you feel is not true

1529
01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:29,920
it's not feel I know it's not true okay

1530
01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:33,490
again all of this in great detail and

1531
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,279
the apparition photos report if people

1532
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:38,799
are not willing to read it then I have

1533
01:09:43,740 --> 01:09:40,690
to assume their interest is not so

1534
01:09:47,610 --> 01:09:43,750
intense in part three of the apparition

1535
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:47,620
photos report is my first experience of

1536
01:09:51,750 --> 01:09:49,810
Robert doing this directly

1537
01:09:53,550 --> 01:09:51,760
I had heard we haven't finished the

1538
01:09:55,890 --> 01:09:53,560
other subject let's finish that when

1539
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:55,900
they get my next one you don't let me go

1540
01:10:00,120 --> 01:09:58,360
I cannot explain this okay but we're

1541
01:10:03,390 --> 01:10:00,130
trying to explain this specific item

1542
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:03,400
here this specific set of photos and why

1543
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,030
it's not possible by artificial means

1544
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:10,960
that in part three I described how one

1545
01:10:15,780 --> 01:10:13,390
evening I was with Robert in his

1546
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,790
practice room and we were photographing

1547
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:17,920
something else he had just learned he

1548
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,610
could make compass needles go and make

1549
01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:23,440
metal things stick to his body and stuff

1550
01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:26,020
like that and I was photographing him

1551
01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:29,380
doing that one night in his office all

1552
01:10:33,150 --> 01:10:32,260
of a sudden we both heard a very very

1553
01:10:36,210 --> 01:10:33,160
quiet

1554
01:10:38,490 --> 01:10:36,220
tap tap tap on the door it was so gentle

1555
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:38,500
that I would not

1556
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:41,530
known to pay attention to it the robert

1557
01:10:45,570 --> 01:10:43,210
looked up immediately from his side of

1558
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:45,580
the desk and he said to me did you hear

1559
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:49,210
that and i said yes and i knew

1560
01:10:53,820 --> 01:10:51,190
immediately that something was getting

1561
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:53,830
ready to happen robert walked from

1562
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,520
around his side of the desk asked me if

1563
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:00,640
he could use my camera now my camera is

1564
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:03,790
too kept entirely in my possession when

1565
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:06,550
I am in Holland I handed Robert the

1566
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:09,580
camera I stood next to him my head

1567
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,670
literally a budding his he held the

1568
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:15,040
camera out in front of his face so I

1569
01:11:21,570 --> 01:11:18,310
could see the LED screen I could also

1570
01:11:24,270 --> 01:11:21,580
see the door about four feet in front of

1571
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:24,280
us nothing but air between me and the

1572
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:28,480
door Robert took one photograph and boom

1573
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:32,890
this man's face appears on the LED

1574
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:35,590
screen clear as a bell and yet with my

1575
01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:39,040
eyes I see nothing between me and the

1576
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:40,870
door okay so let me explain to our

1577
01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:43,360
listeners what you saw in the sense of

1578
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:45,820
what happens with the digital camera you

1579
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:49,090
take a picture and then you will see the

1580
01:11:55,230 --> 01:11:52,210
actual picture you just took in the LED

1581
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:55,240
screen I did in that case okay so you're

1582
01:12:00,540 --> 01:11:58,000
set to look at what's on the memory

1583
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:00,550
stick or memory card the picture you

1584
01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:02,290
just took which is a normal way you want

1585
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:03,940
to look at the picture and make sure

1586
01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:06,130
what you took is exactly what you

1587
01:12:10,350 --> 01:12:08,680
intended so well the rule is nothing is

1588
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:10,360
in the room it's just a straight room

1589
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:12,730
but to take the picture and then the

1590
01:12:17,340 --> 01:12:15,310
image that was sensed by the camera

1591
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:17,350
comes up on the LED and you see the

1592
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:20,050
figure we didn't we didn't go back and

1593
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:22,930
look we've Robert took the one photo we

1594
01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:25,150
both saw the image we both jumped

1595
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,180
because it startled us and he then over

1596
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:31,360
the next 10-15 minutes took many many

1597
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:34,260
photographs in which this man's face

1598
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:38,320
appeared in many different forms in fact

1599
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:39,970
I'm not even sure it's the same guy in

1600
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,310
every single shot but he took quite a

1601
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:44,080
few of those all of those photographs

1602
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:48,490
are posted with all the commentary on

1603
01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:51,250
that part 3 this is of

1604
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:53,680
apparition photos report okay so this is

1605
01:12:59,040 --> 01:12:55,480
the point that has to be emphasized here

1606
01:13:00,660 --> 01:12:59,050
okay you saw yourself Nancy any times

1607
01:13:03,630 --> 01:13:00,670
Nancy I'm trying to ask you a question

1608
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:03,640
then you can go into that okay so let's

1609
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:05,290
just summarize this because I think it's

1610
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:06,850
good that we make every point clear to

1611
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:09,610
people okay summarize this this is a

1612
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:12,400
blank memory stick or a memory card that

1613
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:14,530
you put into the camera you sit there

1614
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:16,360
you take pictures and every time you see

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the playback on your LED screen of what

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:21,550
you just took you suddenly see figures

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01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:23,410
in there that we're not there when

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:25,030
you're physically looking in that room

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well there were figures I couldn't see

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with my eyes oh that's what I'm saying

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:30,490
you didn't see them you're looking at

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the room you take a picture it looks

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like a normal room with nobody in front

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of you but as soon as the picture comes

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01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:40,390
up and is presented in playback on the

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01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:42,610
camera you're seeing these figures is

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01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:45,520
that correct yeah okay is this the same

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01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:47,680
point with the Mudman photo then the

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same thing happened that he takes a

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picture or someone takes a picture and

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suddenly these figures appear nobody's

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tampering with your memory stick I don't

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01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,750
see how they could since it's in my

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:00,880
possession the entire time okay that's

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01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:02,890
what we're trying to clarify how is this

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:07,710
even possible listeners may remember the

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01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,170
well-known case from a guy named ted

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serios who is able to project images

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onto Polaroid film do you think Nancy

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01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:19,750
and Robert that this is what's happening

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or is there some separate kind of a

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:25,240
third party element going on here I'm

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01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:27,370
just I'm trying to wrap my head around

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01:14:31,470 --> 01:14:29,860
it what do you sense yourself because

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01:14:34,770 --> 01:14:31,480
you're the one doing it I was hearing

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01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:34,780
deaths that was a pitcher global in the

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:38,110
talk from who took the picture this sort

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01:14:42,990 --> 01:14:39,970
of things does the image that's coming

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all the pictures is only happening by me

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that's also the reason that I get a lots

1651
01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:48,640
of critic I must hold the camera in my

1652
01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:51,220
hands and then the image coming on it's

1653
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:54,700
coming true my energy okay so you must

1654
01:15:00,430 --> 01:14:57,850
be holding this camera when this happens

1655
01:15:02,979 --> 01:15:00,440
when these images show up yes it's going

1656
01:15:05,860 --> 01:15:02,989
through my energy and sometimes that's

1657
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working through me they are now many

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01:15:13,390 --> 01:15:10,640
many many cases that people have give me

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:13,400
a camera stand by me and image coming on

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:16,370
the pictures you can also see on my

1661
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:19,010
website there is a new film there that

1662
01:15:24,459 --> 01:15:21,650
you see that there is a guy doing

1663
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experiments with me for the camera he

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give me his camera with realing Chris

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we're talking to Nancy topic robert van

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den Broeck you're in the GC and radio

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[Music]

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we have Nancy Robert van den Broeck

1772
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:10,410
talking about some very unusual

1773
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:12,970
phenomena and I want to summarize this

1774
01:20:17,490 --> 01:20:14,710
so people understand what we're talking

1775
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:17,500
about here that we understand that

1776
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:20,770
almost any image you can see on a photo

1777
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:25,270
or a movie can be duplicated by someone

1778
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:28,270
in Photoshop or another program okay you

1779
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:30,370
can always reproduce this there's no

1780
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:32,770
such thing as the perfect UFO we're

1781
01:20:39,780 --> 01:20:35,650
psychic photo somebody who's talented

1782
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:39,790
enough can create the fake version okay

1783
01:20:46,230 --> 01:20:43,390
so we understand that at the same point

1784
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:46,240
we have Nancy telling you and Robert

1785
01:20:52,530 --> 01:20:49,450
telling you that we have a camera she

1786
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:52,540
takes her own personal camera hands it

1787
01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:53,290
to Robert

1788
01:20:59,690 --> 01:20:56,590
stands there he takes a picture and from

1789
01:21:02,580 --> 01:20:59,700
the LED screen we see was recorded is

1790
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:02,590
some figure in the picture that wasn't

1791
01:21:06,180 --> 01:21:04,000
there when you just looked at the room

1792
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:06,190
and it doesn't just happen with Nancy it

1793
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:08,470
happens with other people Roberts saying

1794
01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:11,890
that he senses something and he holds

1795
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:14,680
the camera and holding the camera is

1796
01:21:19,710 --> 01:21:17,290
what you believe causes that image to

1797
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:19,720
appear in the camera right Robert yes

1798
01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:22,510
yes okay it's correct this is what is

1799
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:26,020
meant by being a medium Robert is the

1800
01:21:31,570 --> 01:21:27,920
medium through which

1801
01:21:33,610 --> 01:21:31,580
these energies work and they can do it

1802
01:21:35,130 --> 01:21:33,620
not just with cameras while we're

1803
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:35,140
talking about right now are the photos

1804
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:38,480
but this is how he also can do the

1805
01:21:42,490 --> 01:21:39,110
readings

1806
01:21:45,790 --> 01:21:42,500
it's how he can also do the healings the

1807
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,800
energies work through Robert as a medium

1808
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:47,840
now let me ask you a silly question a

1809
01:21:51,939 --> 01:21:50,570
very dumb question when you work with

1810
01:21:54,459 --> 01:21:51,949
the camera Robert does it have to be a

1811
01:21:56,169 --> 01:21:54,469
specific type of camera with a specific

1812
01:21:59,020 --> 01:21:56,179
type of memory chip can't be an

1813
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:59,030
old-fashioned camera with film no no no

1814
01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:00,920
it's it's it's real happening with

1815
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:03,590
camera with old-fashioned films it will

1816
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:07,910
happening with digital cameras with with

1817
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:10,910
all the types of cameras it will

1818
01:22:15,790 --> 01:22:13,340
happening that's was what I try that

1819
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,800
well I was trying to say you sure and

1820
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:17,840
you yes yes when you watch on my

1821
01:22:26,140 --> 01:22:21,679
websites then you see the clip and it's

1822
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:26,150
very beautiful in every case and we're

1823
01:22:27,820 --> 01:22:27,410
going to emphasize it over and over

1824
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,830
again

1825
01:22:32,110 --> 01:22:30,320
you must be touching the camera you're

1826
01:22:34,689 --> 01:22:32,120
feeling something when this happens or

1827
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:34,699
can I just go over to your house bring

1828
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:37,250
my iPhone's camera which is a digital

1829
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:40,880
camera and I will see something strange

1830
01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:48,650
yes yes when we have an experiment that

1831
01:22:55,689 --> 01:22:51,590
that you that I was filming all the time

1832
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:55,699
that the guy was give me his camera he

1833
01:23:01,570 --> 01:22:58,370
was show for the camera that everything

1834
01:23:04,060 --> 01:23:01,580
was zero no image on it and he was all

1835
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:04,070
time filming me he was filming first a

1836
01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:08,210
lens the lens and the I said a screen

1837
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:11,300
from the photo camera and I must make

1838
01:23:16,660 --> 01:23:13,660
pictures there was no one moment alone

1839
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:16,670
and it was the point is you are not

1840
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,710
tampering with this camera you're

1841
01:23:22,450 --> 01:23:20,480
holding it in full view of everyone it's

1842
01:23:26,110 --> 01:23:22,460
not just a trick you're just taking the

1843
01:23:28,540 --> 01:23:26,120
pictures yes absolutely report gene

1844
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:28,550
that's going up on the BLT website very

1845
01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:31,550
soon about this specific incident in

1846
01:23:36,669 --> 01:23:34,280
which we demonstrate that the chip is

1847
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:36,679
brand new we demonstrate there is

1848
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:39,650
nothing on the lens itself while the

1849
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:40,710
video

1850
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:43,890
continues to roll the guy moved back

1851
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:46,320
away keeping Robert on the camera the

1852
01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:48,510
entire time he then stands there

1853
01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:51,300
videotaping Robert as Robert takes three

1854
01:23:56,780 --> 01:23:53,880
photos in a row you can hear a click

1855
01:24:00,230 --> 01:23:56,790
click click of the digital and on those

1856
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:00,240
images there are two men one is pat

1857
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:02,970
delgado the original crop circle person

1858
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:04,920
in England from years ago the other

1859
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:08,310
amazingly is Dave Chorley part of the

1860
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:10,680
infamous Doug and Dave team the hoaxing

1861
01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:14,370
team and Dave these two men both appear

1862
01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:16,830
one in one shot with second shot the

1863
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:20,190
third shot shows simply the boy who was

1864
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:22,170
filming the whole thing and that whole

1865
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:24,060
report will be going up in a week or so

1866
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:27,510
on the building site question though

1867
01:24:32,690 --> 01:24:30,300
real quick how about analog film cameras

1868
01:24:35,540 --> 01:24:32,700
I mean is all this are all these digital

1869
01:24:38,780 --> 01:24:35,550
artifacts or he has Robert duplicated

1870
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:38,790
this style of psychic photography if you

1871
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:41,220
will on regular film cameras with analog

1872
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:43,890
film did you use film cameras years ago

1873
01:24:51,770 --> 01:24:46,970
to do this Robert in the bust I must use

1874
01:24:54,170 --> 01:24:51,780
cameras with films in it but yes and I

1875
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:54,180
was but that was Mosul turn light

1876
01:25:00,980 --> 01:24:58,560
stripes and light bolts and I was I was

1877
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:00,990
coming journalist from a newspaper in

1878
01:25:04,940 --> 01:25:02,610
the Netherlands and he was bringing a

1879
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:04,950
camera with the film in it and I was

1880
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:06,690
make pictures with his camera and it was

1881
01:25:13,670 --> 01:25:10,410
creatures on this camera and also on the

1882
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,680
original film now the other question I

1883
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:16,320
would have then is when this happens do

1884
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:19,110
you see in your mind what image ends up

1885
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:21,420
in the camera or you sort of in the

1886
01:25:25,940 --> 01:25:23,100
feeling sometimes you do yes sometimes

1887
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:25,950
sometimes as pieces sometimes I don't

1888
01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:29,120
know it's also surprise for me sometimes

1889
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:33,000
yes surprise when dr. role came to visit

1890
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:37,860
in 2008 because dr. role had this also

1891
01:25:42,740 --> 01:25:40,770
happen with his camera and him standing

1892
01:25:43,190 --> 01:25:42,750
right there watching Robert as Robert

1893
01:25:46,970 --> 01:25:43,200
did it

1894
01:25:49,700 --> 01:25:46,980
so sometimes Robert you see the image

1895
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:49,710
sometimes you don't now conversely on

1896
01:25:53,899 --> 01:25:52,050
the other side of the coin here if I

1897
01:25:55,429 --> 01:25:53,909
hand you a camera and you feel

1898
01:25:57,770 --> 01:25:55,439
nothing does that mean that nothing

1899
01:26:02,839 --> 01:25:57,780
extra will show up in the picture yes

1900
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:02,849
that's true yes that's true yes yes this

1901
01:26:06,589 --> 01:26:04,650
is nothing you can turn on like a light

1902
01:26:06,949 --> 01:26:06,599
switch sometimes it happens sometimes it

1903
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,959
doesn't

1904
01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:09,840
no no no it's what I say you know I'm

1905
01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:13,320
not an illusionist it's not a card trick

1906
01:26:19,339 --> 01:26:16,380
you know it you know before let's you

1907
01:26:23,449 --> 01:26:19,349
have results it's coming or it's not

1908
01:26:27,319 --> 01:26:23,459
coming it's it's it's we have strong

1909
01:26:30,339 --> 01:26:27,329
scientific cases very close cases where

1910
01:26:33,339 --> 01:26:30,349
it's it's improve that this absolutely

1911
01:26:36,189 --> 01:26:33,349
absolutely real and then it is not

1912
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:36,199
Photoshop after that is not that I hold

1913
01:26:41,209 --> 01:26:38,729
something for the lens the skeptics say

1914
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:41,219
that I hold something for the lens and

1915
01:26:43,850 --> 01:26:42,090
that's not possible

1916
01:26:45,409 --> 01:26:43,860
well here's the key point here which I

1917
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:45,419
gather from talking to you and Nancy is

1918
01:26:49,759 --> 01:26:48,239
for them to be correct they would have

1919
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,769
to basically say you both are lying

1920
01:26:53,870 --> 01:26:51,360
about what you're doing because there's

1921
01:26:56,299 --> 01:26:53,880
no way to explain any of this but I also

1922
01:26:59,899 --> 01:26:56,309
have to say that dr. William role is

1923
01:27:03,709 --> 01:26:59,909
lying and hundreds of Roberts clients

1924
01:27:05,629 --> 01:27:03,719
over the years are all lying and if that

1925
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:05,639
doesn't wash there's there's too much

1926
01:27:09,129 --> 01:27:06,329
good

1927
01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:09,139
eyewitness testimony involving these

1928
01:27:13,699 --> 01:27:12,360
fantastic images and and other things

1929
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,709
that have happened over the years which

1930
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:15,840
you of course you and I know because

1931
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:18,510
I've known you for so long I have read

1932
01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:20,369
the website I am interested enough to

1933
01:27:25,549 --> 01:27:23,070
find out more these are inexplicable

1934
01:27:27,379 --> 01:27:25,559
events many of them even though some of

1935
01:27:28,549 --> 01:27:27,389
them look like really bad cut and paste

1936
01:27:30,529 --> 01:27:28,559
Photoshop jobs

1937
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,539
it's that trickster element that's

1938
01:27:35,719 --> 01:27:33,360
trying to nullify what may be very very

1939
01:27:37,819 --> 01:27:35,729
important science going on here you

1940
01:27:38,959 --> 01:27:37,829
might like to hear what dr. roll had to

1941
01:27:41,509 --> 01:27:38,969
say sure go ahead

1942
01:27:43,729 --> 01:27:41,519
he stood he brought a brand new camera

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01:27:46,489 --> 01:27:43,739
never even been out of the box with him

1944
01:27:48,409 --> 01:27:46,499
to Holland then we opened it up put a

1945
01:27:50,689 --> 01:27:48,419
brand new chip in it batteries whatever

1946
01:27:53,060 --> 01:27:50,699
went to the fields and it's me

1947
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:53,070
and dr. roll and Robert broad daylight

1948
01:27:58,879 --> 01:27:56,639
we walked to Roberts special feel dr.

1949
01:28:01,879 --> 01:27:58,889
roll had his camera in his pocket

1950
01:28:04,879 --> 01:28:01,889
suddenly Robert felt the presence of the

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01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:04,889
energies and he asked dr. roll may I

1952
01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:07,320
have your camera roll handed

1953
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:09,780
and stood right next to him just as I

1954
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:12,510
have done hundreds of times and watched

1955
01:28:19,130 --> 01:28:16,080
as Robert took immediately five shots of

1956
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:19,140
what looks like a UFO boom boom boom

1957
01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:21,090
boom boom right in a row

1958
01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:23,340
dr. roll and I both were watching Robert

1959
01:28:29,450 --> 01:28:26,220
as he did it we both saw the images on

1960
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:29,460
the camera immediately after none of us

1961
01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:32,550
has a laptop we had no other equipment

1962
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:34,980
with us and there were the images now

1963
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:36,810
the other question Robert would be does

1964
01:28:41,540 --> 01:28:39,690
this happen in a specific area or does

1965
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:41,550
it matter where you are when this

1966
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,490
happens it can be everywhere I'm a

1967
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:46,800
bridge for the other dimension and it's

1968
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:49,770
can happening on many places you have

1969
01:28:53,150 --> 01:28:51,390
you feel you're talking to something

1970
01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:53,160
we're communicating with something in

1971
01:28:58,670 --> 01:28:55,350
another dimension that's giving you

1972
01:29:01,690 --> 01:28:58,680
these images yes it's it's some cosmic

1973
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:01,700
consciousness that's very high that's

1974
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:04,860
that's that's very big and this only

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01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,080
love only peace and it will help only

1976
01:29:12,410 --> 01:29:09,840
people question - because we're getting

1977
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into a spiritual aspect and maybe we'll

1978
01:29:15,890 --> 01:29:14,040
want to explore that a little bit later

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01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:15,900
but the other question is here you

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haven't been around the world much you

1981
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haven't traveled much from where you

1982
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live have you no no that's right

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instance ooh there's a food right yes so

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to do lectures yes that's true yes okay

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we have robert van den Broek Nancy

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Talbot here with Jean and Chris you're

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you do cast because with gene and Chris

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on the power cast

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01:34:15,540 --> 01:34:12,580
we're continuing exploring the Strange

2097
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:15,550
Case of robert van den Broeck with nancy

2098
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Tabata VLT research and we're trying to

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try to focus put a picture a mine

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picture theater of the mind and radio so

2101
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:27,670
you listeners understand what he is

2102
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:30,610
saying now you mention UFOs and we

2103
01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:32,980
haven't touched that so far in the first

2104
01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:35,260
two thirds of the show so let's get into

2105
01:34:42,210 --> 01:34:38,380
that Robert have you ever seen a UFO yes

2106
01:34:46,020 --> 01:34:42,220
yes yes they exist absolutely I've seen

2107
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:46,030
different diamond I have seen people

2108
01:34:52,830 --> 01:34:50,050
call Chia folks and I it's very

2109
01:34:56,910 --> 01:34:52,840
impressed I have very strong experience

2110
01:35:00,780 --> 01:34:56,920
and beautiful experience very beautiful

2111
01:35:02,940 --> 01:35:00,790
very beef very beautiful very peaceful

2112
01:35:05,550 --> 01:35:02,950
and it's it's wonderful it's an

2113
01:35:08,730 --> 01:35:05,560
interesting thing here anytime you're in

2114
01:35:10,290 --> 01:35:08,740
the presence of a UFO you feel peace and

2115
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:10,300
love and brotherhood something very

2116
01:35:14,490 --> 01:35:12,250
positive I guess you know that some

2117
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:14,500
people will see UFOs don't have the

2118
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:16,450
positive experience sometimes it ends up

2119
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:19,090
being very negative towards them but

2120
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:21,040
you've never been abducted by a UFO have

2121
01:35:28,830 --> 01:35:24,730
you know I never abducted and I don't

2122
01:35:30,330 --> 01:35:28,840
call that know in that way you know

2123
01:35:33,450 --> 01:35:30,340
you'll have difference in its you have

2124
01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:33,460
more dimensions with more levels and you

2125
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:35,830
have also the negative parts that's a

2126
01:35:41,070 --> 01:35:37,960
problem you have also you have the Grace

2127
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:41,080
and that sort of types okay so you feel

2128
01:35:45,210 --> 01:35:43,570
that grey alien beings whatever they are

2129
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:45,220
they are negative is that what you're

2130
01:35:55,770 --> 01:35:48,610
saying no it's not it's not true that

2131
01:35:57,540 --> 01:35:55,780
that that every gray of every alien you

2132
01:36:02,820 --> 01:35:57,550
call it

2133
01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:02,830
that is beds by you have some some yes

2134
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:05,830
some some parts in death worlds

2135
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:08,050
that's very negative and you must watch

2136
01:36:11,820 --> 01:36:09,850
out for it it's not a game they do

2137
01:36:17,940 --> 01:36:11,830
experiments with people and they see

2138
01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:17,950
people as animals and not more and okay

2139
01:36:22,740 --> 01:36:19,870
but you're talking about different

2140
01:36:25,650 --> 01:36:22,750
levels what about this what about what

2141
01:36:28,890 --> 01:36:25,660
beings coming from another planet are we

2142
01:36:31,380 --> 01:36:28,900
talking about other dimensions or do you

2143
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:31,390
believe in the fact that we are

2144
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:33,070
discovering more and more possible

2145
01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:34,750
earth-like planets around our galaxy

2146
01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:37,000
that maybe they came from one of those

2147
01:36:40,740 --> 01:36:37,630
places

2148
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:40,750
I'm sure that there are billions of

2149
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:44,320
millions of billions of planets eco

2150
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:47,050
planets eco planets where life where

2151
01:36:53,130 --> 01:36:50,650
it's life and I think that also that

2152
01:36:56,490 --> 01:36:53,140
lots of gia folks coming from another

2153
01:37:00,750 --> 01:36:56,500
dimension and they comment from out that

2154
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:00,760
the UFOs by me they are sort of light

2155
01:37:06,420 --> 01:37:03,400
ships for a sort of light beings a sort

2156
01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:06,430
of angel groups they helping they are

2157
01:37:12,810 --> 01:37:10,450
sort of space angels please I don't know

2158
01:37:15,570 --> 01:37:12,820
how to say that they working on

2159
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:15,580
planetary process not only planet or

2160
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:19,090
more planets but I am sure that some

2161
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:22,000
creatures coming from another planets of

2162
01:37:27,810 --> 01:37:24,570
what's living on other planets and you

2163
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:27,820
have creatures day they you know they

2164
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:29,890
took people and they took them to their

2165
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:32,410
planets and they do not nice things with

2166
01:37:38,010 --> 01:37:34,960
them okay let me move into another area

2167
01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:38,020
here alright so is it a matter of

2168
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,800
feeling in your gut whether the alien

2169
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:43,840
creature or craft you're seeing is good

2170
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:46,330
or bad is that it yes it was tracked the

2171
01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:48,130
right kind of craft if you have that

2172
01:37:54,690 --> 01:37:51,070
ability yes you can feel it it's

2173
01:37:57,150 --> 01:37:54,700
intuition you feel gentleness respects

2174
01:38:00,240 --> 01:37:57,160
of you feel North respects and then you

2175
01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:00,250
must make that you go away when you feel

2176
01:38:03,450 --> 01:38:02,080
that's that's that's that's I will say

2177
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:03,460
that to people you think you feel

2178
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:05,110
something that's negative run the other

2179
01:38:09,790 --> 01:38:07,130
way yes

2180
01:38:12,879 --> 01:38:09,800
you must watch out you have demons and

2181
01:38:15,370 --> 01:38:12,889
you must watch out you not everything in

2182
01:38:18,010 --> 01:38:15,380
the universe is peace you must watch out

2183
01:38:21,970 --> 01:38:18,020
but the goodness in the universe is

2184
01:38:24,910 --> 01:38:21,980
winning all the sneezing by the way oh

2185
01:38:26,740 --> 01:38:24,920
that's a friend of me yes friend -

2186
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:26,750
please try to you know walk away because

2187
01:38:30,430 --> 01:38:28,610
I can hear in the background okay one of

2188
01:38:35,890 --> 01:38:30,440
the points that Roberts trying to make

2189
01:38:38,830 --> 01:38:35,900
is that he believes and perceives that

2190
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:38,840
there are many many many types of life

2191
01:38:46,270 --> 01:38:42,590
forms in the universe some of them are

2192
01:38:49,620 --> 01:38:46,280
of a positive and loving nature some are

2193
01:38:52,510 --> 01:38:49,630
not he can distinguish between them and

2194
01:38:55,180 --> 01:38:52,520
chooses to only interact with be

2195
01:38:58,450 --> 01:38:55,190
involved with those he perceives to be

2196
01:39:01,180 --> 01:38:58,460
positive and supportive of Hume of

2197
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:01,190
humanity this does not mean that another

2198
01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:04,130
sort does not also exist but Robert

2199
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:08,260
chooses to have nothing to do with the

2200
01:39:15,729 --> 01:39:12,650
more negative types of entities or

2201
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:15,739
beings okay let me ask you some other

2202
01:39:21,729 --> 01:39:18,110
stuff Robert have you read books about

2203
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,739
UFOs magazine articles gone online or no

2204
01:39:27,220 --> 01:39:24,320
you haven't nothing no nothing it's very

2205
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,230
very strange when I tried to do that I

2206
01:39:33,129 --> 01:39:29,600
guess

2207
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:33,139
it's it's not in me it's look like oh I

2208
01:39:41,770 --> 01:39:38,449
get to sort of not narcotic I cannot

2209
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:41,780
reach it and I know that they will in

2210
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:43,550
the other side that I don't read too

2211
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:46,159
much and I don't read books about this

2212
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:49,520
you know the reason is that you watch -

2213
01:39:55,629 --> 01:39:52,610
the glasses from somebody else and I

2214
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:55,639
will have self this experience and hold

2215
01:40:01,979 --> 01:39:57,850
it pure okay you don't want other people

2216
01:40:04,899 --> 01:40:01,989
contaminating this those ideas

2217
01:40:07,060 --> 01:40:04,909
contaminating what he feels just a

2218
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:07,070
offhand question if somebody asks in our

2219
01:40:12,700 --> 01:40:09,520
forms Robert ever hear of Billy Mayer

2220
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:12,710
yes of course yes yes sure what's your

2221
01:40:20,090 --> 01:40:15,440
feeling about Billy Mayer now it's not

2222
01:40:25,770 --> 01:40:20,100
my job to to to to fixate some

2223
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:25,780
people I know that he is very strong on

2224
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:29,650
fire you know that many that some people

2225
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:33,730
think also that he is proud his case

2226
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:35,260
it's been very easy to prove that he's a

2227
01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:37,449
fraud we've done it very successfully in

2228
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:39,640
the para caste some years back we looked

2229
01:40:44,340 --> 01:40:42,010
at one of his photos that was submitted

2230
01:40:45,689 --> 01:40:44,350
as something real and we prove within a

2231
01:40:48,419 --> 01:40:45,699
very short period of time that it was a

2232
01:40:50,130 --> 01:40:48,429
complete fake yes okay yes that's

2233
01:40:50,910 --> 01:40:50,140
possible you know I don't know him

2234
01:40:54,300 --> 01:40:50,920
personally

2235
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:54,310
yes I I don't know what he what he's

2236
01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:56,650
doing exactly it's possible you know I

2237
01:41:02,580 --> 01:40:58,840
sometimes it's more difficult than you

2238
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:02,590
think it's possible that this that that

2239
01:41:08,130 --> 01:41:05,170
somebody that have real context that

2240
01:41:11,250 --> 01:41:08,140
this beginning with a real context with

2241
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:11,260
a real intention that this when they

2242
01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:14,590
feel pressure to proofing and that the

2243
01:41:19,410 --> 01:41:16,390
audience to people to people it will

2244
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:19,420
more and more they basically have it

2245
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:21,460
basically a real experience sometime

2246
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,710
they're lioness and then the pressure of

2247
01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:26,080
the public or maybe they want to be yes

2248
01:41:31,470 --> 01:41:28,260
famous rich and famous they will

2249
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:31,480
fabricate something maybe yes sometimes

2250
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,730
then they decide to help the true a

2251
01:41:37,709 --> 01:41:35,920
little bit I don't say that he do that

2252
01:41:40,530 --> 01:41:37,719
much it's possible it's a possibility

2253
01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:40,540
and they do you see it in history more

2254
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:42,640
that that's is that's a phenomenal

2255
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:45,370
that's that they creates on meets around

2256
01:41:49,650 --> 01:41:48,010
to sell they create some mystery and

2257
01:41:52,979 --> 01:41:49,660
they will hold it and when there is

2258
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,989
nothing going on then they had a day

2259
01:41:58,350 --> 01:41:54,880
that will help the true and that's sorry

2260
01:42:01,169 --> 01:41:58,360
that so sorry once they are real in in

2261
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:01,179
the inside they have some they have some

2262
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:03,250
real contact you know I I have to

2263
01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:06,130
understand I was hearing from somebody

2264
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:09,070
that Billy Meyer and read a lot of

2265
01:42:14,729 --> 01:42:12,250
things are thousands of pace from

2266
01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:14,739
spiritual insights that he must get from

2267
01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:17,230
the Pleiadians you know maybe that's

2268
01:42:21,620 --> 01:42:19,300
real I don't know you know it's it's

2269
01:42:24,419 --> 01:42:21,630
it's very intense when you do this

2270
01:42:27,660 --> 01:42:24,429
what's unfortunate like I said he really

2271
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:27,670
is a genuine contact II by faking

2272
01:42:32,729 --> 01:42:31,030
evidence he puts everything he does into

2273
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:32,739
a cloud it's difficult to believe that

2274
01:42:35,070 --> 01:42:33,250
kind of

2275
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:35,080
thing because like law enforcement

2276
01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:37,450
people say you know you lie in one place

2277
01:42:40,620 --> 01:42:39,190
maybe you're lying in another place and

2278
01:42:42,030 --> 01:42:40,630
that makes it difficult

2279
01:42:43,740 --> 01:42:42,040
let me ask you another offhanded

2280
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:43,750
question here of course you've had

2281
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:46,120
medical treatment drugs and everything

2282
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:48,190
when you were child if there was enough

2283
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:49,330
money available

2284
01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:52,210
would you consider submitting to medical

2285
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:55,240
testing like an MRI test or something in

2286
01:42:58,530 --> 01:42:57,040
a laboratory or something while you're

2287
01:43:00,150 --> 01:42:58,540
undergoing these things so the

2288
01:43:01,650 --> 01:43:00,160
scientists can measure what might be

2289
01:43:06,060 --> 01:43:01,660
happening to you Robert

2290
01:43:12,930 --> 01:43:06,070
Robert let me take this one okay yes he

2291
01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:12,940
has had a number of such tests and one

2292
01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:15,460
for instance involved in being

2293
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:19,660
videotaped as a random event generator

2294
01:43:24,810 --> 01:43:22,330
was placed in front of him and Robert

2295
01:43:27,630 --> 01:43:24,820
was asked to influence the random event

2296
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:27,640
generator if he could the entire episode

2297
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:29,050
and I think it happened several times

2298
01:43:34,410 --> 01:43:31,450
was videotaped and one of these

2299
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:34,420
scientists they do not they refuse to go

2300
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:38,050
public one of them whom I know called me

2301
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:40,450
after some of these random event

2302
01:43:49,710 --> 01:43:44,770
generator tests and told me that Robert

2303
01:43:52,050 --> 01:43:49,720
was able 100% of the time to alter the

2304
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:52,060
outcome of the random event generator

2305
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:54,250
tests okay this is something where we'll

2306
01:43:58,380 --> 01:43:56,410
have to pick up on the next segment of

2307
01:43:59,640 --> 01:43:58,390
the show I'm going to want to ask you

2308
01:44:02,160 --> 01:43:59,650
and I can get ready for the question

2309
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:02,170
here our listeners gonna ask okay if

2310
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:04,330
this has happened why can't we get

2311
01:44:08,820 --> 01:44:06,370
somebody to go on the record with this

2312
01:44:11,460 --> 01:44:08,830
evidence so that when the skeptics say

2313
01:44:14,580 --> 01:44:11,470
have you done this can you do this you

2314
01:44:17,010 --> 01:44:14,590
can provide the data we have Robert van

2315
01:44:20,210 --> 01:44:17,020
den Broeck Nancy Talbot with gene and

2316
01:44:27,629 --> 01:44:20,220
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2336
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2337
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:17,440
forcing taxes to service debt this

2338
01:45:20,729 --> 01:45:19,090
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2339
01:45:22,350 --> 01:45:20,739
when stating a central bank issuing the

2340
01:45:23,490 --> 01:45:22,360
public currency is a greater menace to

2341
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:23,500
the liberties of the people than a

2342
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:24,850
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2343
01:45:28,109 --> 01:45:26,290
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2344
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2345
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2346
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:34,780
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2347
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:38,170
that's 800 686 to 237

2348
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:47,890
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2349
01:45:59,560 --> 01:45:52,210
standard of paranormal radio and now

2350
01:46:01,450 --> 01:45:59,570
here's Jane Steinberg we have Chris

2351
01:46:04,990 --> 01:46:01,460
they're kinda sound and he's of course

2352
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:05,000
on the road sound like he's basically in

2353
01:46:10,270 --> 01:46:08,210
another dimension right Chris yes matter

2354
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:10,280
of fact I'm going through a little

2355
01:46:13,870 --> 01:46:11,570
mountainous area here outside of

2356
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:13,880
Flagstaff one thing I wanted to mention

2357
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:15,920
before we get too far away from the so

2358
01:46:22,740 --> 01:46:18,260
William we're all photographs and and

2359
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:22,750
the the UFO style object that were in

2360
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:26,690
some of these photographs all right my

2361
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:28,610
first impression of them when I looked

2362
01:46:32,890 --> 01:46:30,290
at them was something very small being

2363
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:32,900
dangled in front of the camera and I

2364
01:46:36,729 --> 01:46:34,610
think that's that there's one or two

2365
01:46:39,370 --> 01:46:36,739
people on the forums that came up with

2366
01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:39,380
that as a possible explanation there was

2367
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:41,270
another photograph that somebody pointed

2368
01:46:45,310 --> 01:46:43,280
out on the forum that seem to have some

2369
01:46:49,209 --> 01:46:45,320
sort of string line or something that

2370
01:46:52,209 --> 01:46:49,219
was visible there's what I wanted wanted

2371
01:46:54,669 --> 01:46:52,219
a chair to comment or Nancy on on these

2372
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:54,679
the de logical conclusion there's

2373
01:47:00,189 --> 01:46:57,199
someone on a skeptical fence would say

2374
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:00,199
about these small these small appearing

2375
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:02,810
objects in front of the camera let me

2376
01:47:07,629 --> 01:47:05,119
let me do it Robert it's what I've

2377
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:07,639
already spoken about the camera the

2378
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:10,400
images they're referring to are the ones

2379
01:47:16,660 --> 01:47:13,489
that appeared on dr. rolls camera that

2380
01:47:18,010 --> 01:47:16,670
afternoon at the special field and as

2381
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:18,020
I've already explained

2382
01:47:23,919 --> 01:47:21,290
dr. roll had simply put a brand new chip

2383
01:47:25,930 --> 01:47:23,929
into his brand new camera new batteries

2384
01:47:29,950 --> 01:47:25,940
we all three went to the field

2385
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:29,960
Robert perceived an energy present dr.

2386
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:32,690
roll candid his camera to Robert in

2387
01:47:39,700 --> 01:47:36,050
broad daylight with both dr. roll and I

2388
01:47:42,189 --> 01:47:39,710
watching as Robert took those photos if

2389
01:47:44,530 --> 01:47:42,199
Robert had been holding anything in

2390
01:47:47,530 --> 01:47:44,540
front of the lens those who would have

2391
01:47:50,050 --> 01:47:47,540
been able to see what a scenic view they

2392
01:47:54,729 --> 01:47:50,060
look the way they do I don't know

2393
01:47:55,710 --> 01:47:54,739
Robert well the what we've come up with

2394
01:48:00,500 --> 01:47:55,720
our

2395
01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:04,500
there is another reality a spiritual

2396
01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:07,300
reality which is around all of us and

2397
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:10,540
very close however as we all know there

2398
01:48:16,110 --> 01:48:12,430
are many religions with many different

2399
01:48:19,740 --> 01:48:16,120
images which are associated with those

2400
01:48:23,610 --> 01:48:19,750
religions what we think is that the UFO

2401
01:48:28,130 --> 01:48:23,620
image has become the most universally

2402
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:28,140
well-known or accepted image that means

2403
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:32,610
simply the other not something religious

2404
01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:35,920
specifically but the other it's like a

2405
01:48:41,370 --> 01:48:37,900
cultural consciousness taking over

2406
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:41,380
that's we think the images represent

2407
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:46,110
this notion of the other rather than

2408
01:48:53,220 --> 01:48:50,770
actually representing real UFOs although

2409
01:48:56,580 --> 01:48:53,230
in some cases they may represent real

2410
01:48:58,740 --> 01:48:56,590
physical present UFOs most of these

2411
01:49:02,100 --> 01:48:58,750
images that have been coming on Roberts

2412
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:02,110
the cameras he's using we think are

2413
01:49:08,420 --> 01:49:04,930
simply an image that helps people

2414
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:08,430
understand there is this other reality

2415
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:11,020
it's trying to make us think which goes

2416
01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:13,840
back to something that Ray Palmer said

2417
01:49:17,580 --> 01:49:15,070
many years ago don't know if you

2418
01:49:19,740 --> 01:49:17,590
remember who Ray Palmer was Nancy but

2419
01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:19,750
before we did the break I asked you a

2420
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:23,230
question about the evidence that was

2421
01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:25,030
accumulated when they did an examination

2422
01:49:29,490 --> 01:49:27,460
of Robert why can't we get something

2423
01:49:31,500 --> 01:49:29,500
like that publicized because I think

2424
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,510
people are really curious and this is

2425
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:33,760
sort of thing that when you say I have

2426
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:35,920
evidence but I don't have permission to

2427
01:49:42,210 --> 01:49:38,320
post it or whatever people are skeptical

2428
01:49:46,730 --> 01:49:42,220
yes as well they might be but unless

2429
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:46,740
many of us are willing to donate money

2430
01:49:51,410 --> 01:49:50,650
to finance scientists who do this sort

2431
01:49:54,090 --> 01:49:51,420
of work

2432
01:49:56,310 --> 01:49:54,100
most scientists just like you and me

2433
01:49:59,300 --> 01:49:56,320
have to pay their rent you know they

2434
01:50:03,450 --> 01:49:59,310
have children to raise whatever and

2435
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:03,460
there is no funding available for to pay

2436
01:50:08,980 --> 01:50:06,610
the salaries of such people the people

2437
01:50:11,050 --> 01:50:08,990
in Roberts case these two men who have

2438
01:50:15,610 --> 01:50:11,060
worked with Robert in addition to dr.

2439
01:50:18,910 --> 01:50:15,620
role and my MIT photo guy these other

2440
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:18,920
two men in order to publish what they

2441
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:21,760
have observed they must come up with

2442
01:50:28,900 --> 01:50:25,360
some sort of theoretical construct and

2443
01:50:31,900 --> 01:50:28,910
hypothesis if you will if you have no

2444
01:50:33,940 --> 01:50:31,910
hypothesis if you absolutely do not

2445
01:50:35,620 --> 01:50:33,950
understand what you're looking at right

2446
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:35,630
you can't publish anything because you

2447
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:37,130
have nothing really to try to prove

2448
01:50:44,410 --> 01:50:41,210
exactly and so this is the difficulty

2449
01:50:47,170 --> 01:50:44,420
with dr. role after his experience with

2450
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:47,180
Robert I sat down with him and I asked

2451
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:48,650
him I said well now what do you make of

2452
01:50:54,610 --> 01:50:50,930
all this he had just spent two days with

2453
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:54,620
Robert watched repeatedly as Robert

2454
01:50:59,530 --> 01:50:57,050
using his camera took all these strange

2455
01:51:01,660 --> 01:50:59,540
photos not just the UFOs but many others

2456
01:51:04,660 --> 01:51:01,670
and I asked him well you know what do

2457
01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:04,670
you think he said I don't have the

2458
01:51:12,460 --> 01:51:08,360
faintest idea it must be some sort of

2459
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:12,470
RSP k effect in other words he didn't

2460
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:12,970
have a clue

2461
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:15,290
he'd been standing right there watching

2462
01:51:21,550 --> 01:51:18,170
he had no doubt whatsoever that Robert

2463
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:21,560
was genuine that the photos had actually

2464
01:51:27,190 --> 01:51:24,290
occurred precisely as he had watched

2465
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:27,200
them appear and he had no explanation at

2466
01:51:32,860 --> 01:51:29,690
all said it's got to be some sort of RSP

2467
01:51:34,990 --> 01:51:32,870
k effect Robert let me just ask you a

2468
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:35,000
left-handed question left field question

2469
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:37,130
you're back to your childhood before

2470
01:51:40,630 --> 01:51:38,570
this happened and you're taking this

2471
01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:40,640
from your photographic memory maybe what

2472
01:51:45,790 --> 01:51:42,290
your parents told you that you would

2473
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:45,800
ever suffer an injury of some sort like

2474
01:51:52,860 --> 01:51:48,330
when you were two or three years old

2475
01:52:01,120 --> 01:51:56,410
Robert well to be blunt that or anything

2476
01:52:04,090 --> 01:52:01,130
like that no no okay okay so there was

2477
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,100
no precipitating thing that happened to

2478
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:06,560
you to start this thing except one day

2479
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:09,010
you wake up and you see people yes I

2480
01:52:16,830 --> 01:52:12,800
said his grandmother and his mother and

2481
01:52:21,190 --> 01:52:16,840
his sister his younger sister all have

2482
01:52:22,540 --> 01:52:21,200
some of the same I'm not so sure we

2483
01:52:25,330 --> 01:52:22,550
should call it a gift

2484
01:52:28,270 --> 01:52:25,340
but the same sort of ability his sister

2485
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:28,280
has seen maybe more creatures that

2486
01:52:32,770 --> 01:52:31,250
Robert has his mother has seen them as

2487
01:52:36,850 --> 01:52:32,780
well as other things

2488
01:52:39,310 --> 01:52:36,860
his grandmother also so it appears to be

2489
01:52:41,230 --> 01:52:39,320
something that may run in his family

2490
01:52:43,390 --> 01:52:41,240
along the mother's line

2491
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:43,400
do you find that in your research to

2492
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:46,010
Nancy that when people claim to have

2493
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:48,770
extraordinary abilities there is the

2494
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:50,030
genetic factor

2495
01:52:57,250 --> 01:52:54,050
I can't I heard from dr. role he told me

2496
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:57,260
that but I myself the only case I've

2497
01:53:03,070 --> 01:53:01,760
examined in great depth is Roberts so I

2498
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:03,080
don't know from my own personal

2499
01:53:08,350 --> 01:53:05,110
experience but dr. role told me that

2500
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:08,360
well okay so maybe if we go back several

2501
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:10,880
generations of Roberts family if it's

2502
01:53:15,670 --> 01:53:13,370
possible we find that they have unusual

2503
01:53:21,340 --> 01:53:15,680
abilities Robert have you looked into

2504
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:21,350
your family history at all for my mother

2505
01:53:26,860 --> 01:53:24,320
sites does the mother for my mother was

2506
01:53:29,530 --> 01:53:26,870
heaven see we'll see dead people

2507
01:53:33,370 --> 01:53:29,540
sometimes she was afraid of it must he

2508
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:33,380
was very sensitive and family was also

2509
01:53:40,570 --> 01:53:35,690
hanging around her an amendment that's a

2510
01:53:43,780 --> 01:53:40,580
very positive very positive quiet was

2511
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:43,790
the sweet energy I remembered it and she

2512
01:53:52,450 --> 01:53:47,570
was very gifted I'm sure but she must do

2513
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:52,460
nothing with it she was also not have to

2514
01:53:58,990 --> 01:53:54,290
wish to talk about it see

2515
01:54:00,520 --> 01:53:59,000
she must I still feel her around me and

2516
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:00,530
I know that Seaver said there may be

2517
01:54:06,850 --> 01:54:03,370
other family members was have it also

2518
01:54:09,790 --> 01:54:06,860
you know one did I know only from her

2519
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:09,800
that see she was she was have it also

2520
01:54:16,990 --> 01:54:13,250
she was have beautiful lights in her

2521
01:54:20,620 --> 01:54:17,000
heart and she's in heaven now and I'm

2522
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:20,630
happy that's also her home dance does

2523
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,410
she deserve yeah I was gonna say that I

2524
01:54:30,730 --> 01:54:26,960
have noticed in my research that often

2525
01:54:35,410 --> 01:54:30,740
times there is history of family members

2526
01:54:36,379 --> 01:54:35,420
he in the past attended appears it may

2527
01:54:38,949 --> 01:54:36,389
be passing down

2528
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:38,959
some sort of extraordinary abilities

2529
01:54:46,250 --> 01:54:42,719
generally its gifts it skips a

2530
01:54:48,350 --> 01:54:46,260
generation is what I found and in other

2531
01:54:49,939 --> 01:54:48,360
words it's your grandmother that would

2532
01:54:52,540 --> 01:54:49,949
have two guests as opposed to your

2533
01:54:56,239 --> 01:54:52,550
mother although both cases obviously

2534
01:54:58,549 --> 01:54:56,249
have been reported but I think I think

2535
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Robert brings up a good point about the

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skipping of a generation there we'd love

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exploring what he says are the strange

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things that he does the strange things

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he perceives and I wanted to just ask

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you a few things about your life over

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there and maybe our listeners would

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understand more of what you're doing do

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you have a day job at all do you go out

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to work what do you do us good yes have

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a regular job you work in a restaurant

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I help my clients my I found it very

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difficult to ask many people money

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that's for me a big problem I will help

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them

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yeah very much for free but you can

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basically go out to work in a normal job

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you have to give readings to people you

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can't go out to a restaurant etc no buy

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or steal good smell or something no

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that's not possible for me this that's

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justice I'm too open too sensitive and

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to that that I cannot do that it's not

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there's too many outside influences that

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you sense it to make it impossible okay

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so the question is here how do you

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support yourself do you receive

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donations from people for giving them

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readings or what I live from money from

2679
02:01:28,270 --> 02:01:24,520
the from the government's they have some

2680
02:01:33,060 --> 02:01:28,280
how you say that I don't know the words

2681
02:01:37,020 --> 02:01:33,070
in English but they considered in

2682
02:01:41,169 --> 02:01:37,030
Holland because he was unable to finish

2683
02:01:43,300 --> 02:01:41,179
schooling because in school he was

2684
02:01:46,959 --> 02:01:43,310
constantly assaulted with these images

2685
02:01:50,050 --> 02:01:46,969
and these presences he couldn't pay

2686
02:01:52,209 --> 02:01:50,060
attention to the schooling because he is

2687
02:01:54,459 --> 02:01:52,219
his attention we would be diverted and

2688
02:01:58,180 --> 02:01:54,469
because of this he wasn't able to

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02:02:00,640 --> 02:01:58,190
complete his standard the normal

2690
02:02:03,100 --> 02:02:00,650
schooling and this then made it

2691
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:03,110
impossible for him to actually learn a

2692
02:02:11,859 --> 02:02:07,810
trade of any sort and instead he has

2693
02:02:14,410 --> 02:02:11,869
used his abilities to do he's learned

2694
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:14,420
how to do these readings and healings

2695
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:18,530
and his father who is a banker insisted

2696
02:02:27,459 --> 02:02:22,610
that people pay for this service and

2697
02:02:31,390 --> 02:02:27,469
that money was put into a trust fund to

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02:02:33,370 --> 02:02:31,400
help support Robert and because the

2699
02:02:36,330 --> 02:02:33,380
father is very concerned about how

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02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:36,340
Robert will survive okay so basically

2701
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:39,770
the government is considering him

2702
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:41,770
because he can't complete education and

2703
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:45,090
develop a trade basically disabled

2704
02:02:48,859 --> 02:02:46,650
yes it would be considered a disability

2705
02:02:50,330 --> 02:02:48,869
income we're not insulting the person

2706
02:02:51,709 --> 02:02:50,340
there's a result we're just pointing out

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02:02:53,689 --> 02:02:51,719
as a matter of fact could be considered

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02:02:56,959 --> 02:02:53,699
some sort of disability income to help

2709
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:56,969
people who are unable to go out and work

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02:03:03,169 --> 02:03:01,440
to help them survive period yes okay

2711
02:03:05,330 --> 02:03:03,179
because she wanted to raise another

2712
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:05,340
subject no you wanted to raise the issue

2713
02:03:10,339 --> 02:03:08,130
again about the white powder I wanted to

2714
02:03:12,379 --> 02:03:10,349
actually talk if you want the way the

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02:03:14,270 --> 02:03:12,389
issue and what I said we've covered it

2716
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:14,280
for about 20 minutes after in the last

2717
02:03:19,820 --> 02:03:17,090
show so we don't need to go over maybe

2718
02:03:22,419 --> 02:03:19,830
summarizing what I would like to do then

2719
02:03:26,089 --> 02:03:22,429
is maybe talk about my eyewitness

2720
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:26,099
accounts of crop circles occurring when

2721
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:28,650
I was with Robert on two different

2722
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:32,730
occasions Robert is the only person in

2723
02:03:38,359 --> 02:03:35,280
the world as far as we know who knows

2724
02:03:41,330 --> 02:03:38,369
when a new crop circle is getting ready

2725
02:03:44,300 --> 02:03:41,340
to occur and in his area in fact the

2726
02:03:49,550 --> 02:03:44,310
very first Dutch circle of this year in

2727
02:03:52,339 --> 02:03:49,560
2012 has just appeared and he as usually

2728
02:03:55,970 --> 02:03:52,349
is the case he and Stan who was his

2729
02:03:58,729 --> 02:03:55,980
friend were at home and Robert felt the

2730
02:04:02,209 --> 02:03:58,739
energies and they went out on Roberts

2731
02:04:03,890 --> 02:04:02,219
motorbike to some fields where circles

2732
02:04:06,379 --> 02:04:03,900
have occurred in the past and Robert

2733
02:04:08,899 --> 02:04:06,389
thought perhaps that's where this time

2734
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:08,909
it was happening this was just a couple

2735
02:04:13,220 --> 02:04:11,610
days ago and they went through the whole

2736
02:04:16,040 --> 02:04:13,230
area looked at all the fields there was

2737
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:16,050
nothing there and so they went back to

2738
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:18,480
Robert's apartment and later that night

2739
02:04:24,649 --> 02:04:21,210
just after midnight Robert again felt

2740
02:04:27,859 --> 02:04:24,659
this very strong energy and even though

2741
02:04:32,839 --> 02:04:27,869
by now it was pouring rain he and Stan

2742
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:32,849
went back on the bike and this time did

2743
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:35,730
discover this beautiful seven circle

2744
02:04:40,129 --> 02:04:37,050
crop circle

2745
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:40,139
Robert perceived a flash of light in his

2746
02:04:45,050 --> 02:04:42,570
mind's eye which told him where the

2747
02:04:47,959 --> 02:04:45,060
circles were likely to be and when they

2748
02:04:51,740 --> 02:04:47,969
arrived at the actual field he saw with

2749
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:51,750
his eyes this is visual these seven he

2750
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:55,050
said mushroom-shaped lights hanging over

2751
02:04:58,580 --> 02:04:56,880
the field Robert why don't you tell them

2752
02:05:03,320 --> 02:04:58,590
in your own words what you saw

2753
02:05:07,300 --> 02:05:03,330
yes I was this now two days ago I was

2754
02:05:10,490 --> 02:05:07,310
having an affair a restless feeling and

2755
02:05:14,570 --> 02:05:10,500
I was in the afternoon I was driving

2756
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:14,580
with a friend of me on my motorbike by

2757
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:17,610
fields where more circus was going in

2758
02:05:23,210 --> 02:05:20,250
the past and I was standing dress and we

2759
02:05:25,550 --> 02:05:23,220
were standing we was watching on both

2760
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:25,560
sides from the field and it was nothing

2761
02:05:32,420 --> 02:05:29,610
and then we must go to home and around

2762
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:32,430
12 o'clock in the night I was get a very

2763
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:34,320
restless feeling I was closed my eyes

2764
02:05:40,670 --> 02:05:38,010
and I was seeing a flesh that feels for

2765
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:40,680
me and I was gets very strong in my head

2766
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:45,450
seven circles seven circles and then it

2767
02:05:51,950 --> 02:05:48,930
was raining very hard outside and he was

2768
02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:51,960
waiting a little bit and then around one

2769
02:05:58,040 --> 02:05:54,450
o'clock in the night she must took the

2770
02:06:00,530 --> 02:05:58,050
motorbike was with a friend of me and we

2771
02:06:04,490 --> 02:06:00,540
was driving to the fields and when we

2772
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:04,500
was coming by these fields and driving

2773
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:09,450
and going off the motorbike then I was

2774
02:06:22,850 --> 02:06:14,930
see this strange whites sort of mushroom

2775
02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:22,860
shapes hanging seven seven lights above

2776
02:06:27,140 --> 02:06:24,780
the fields it was a little bit

2777
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:27,150
transparent and with a little bit miss

2778
02:06:32,750 --> 02:06:29,970
around it and it was hanging above the

2779
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:32,760
field and when I was working a little

2780
02:06:37,790 --> 02:06:35,250
bit closer and I was not standing in the

2781
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:37,800
fields I was seed that the circus was in

2782
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:40,610
the fields you will see the colour

2783
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:44,070
different that that it was more shadow

2784
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:47,850
shapes in the fields there and then I

2785
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:50,070
was walking in the fields and I was

2786
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:53,250
discovered beautiful circles that was

2787
02:06:57,800 --> 02:06:55,440
lay there and in the afternoon it was

2788
02:06:59,870 --> 02:06:57,810
not there and on that moment well and it

2789
02:07:03,830 --> 02:06:59,880
was feeling for me that they was formed

2790
02:07:06,140 --> 02:07:03,840
maybe an hour for that we was on them

2791
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:06,150
and it was very beautiful the energy is

2792
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:08,010
very beautiful

2793
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:11,250
I am very happy minutes and that that's

2794
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:13,920
very beautiful and Nancy was years ago

2795
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:17,010
in 2001 I think so

2796
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:22,320
then she was see with me that the circle

2797
02:07:27,770 --> 02:07:25,530
was forming by my house in the fields in

2798
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:27,780
the beans fields and she was also

2799
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:30,570
witness with me and I'm very happy with

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it won't you know people think that I

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02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:35,910
make the circles the reason is that I

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02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:39,030
found all the time for circles and that

2803
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:39,930
I get the message

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02:07:44,570 --> 02:07:42,810
before with the street name from go

2805
02:07:47,090 --> 02:07:44,580
there and there are there there is

2806
02:07:50,060 --> 02:07:47,100
something going on and then they say oh

2807
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:50,070
then he made themself I'm very happy

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02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:52,170
that Nancy was also witness with means I

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02:07:56,860 --> 02:07:53,730
want to ask you a bit about your friend

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02:07:59,240 --> 02:07:56,870
whether your friend has been involved in

2811
02:08:01,130 --> 02:07:59,250
experiencing these things with you when

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he goes with you and we'll do that in

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02:08:06,260 --> 02:08:03,360
our next segment okay we're talking to

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Nancy Talbot of BLT research she

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investigates crop circles but also we're

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talking about the unusual experiences

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reported over most was lifetime by

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robert van den Broeck with gene and

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and you're listening to the podcast the

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gold standard a paranormal radio what

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kind of lucky here as we get to the tail

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end of the show it looks like chris is

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starting to get a fairly decent mobile

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connection see that's the next thing we

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need to figure out here how to solve the

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pathetic problem of mobile connectivity

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in this country because it's really bad

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Robert this friend of yours what can you

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tell us about him how long have you

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known him I know him now for five years

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and he was Nancy know him also and he's

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a very sweet sensitive person he was

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first when he was meeting me he was

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first a little bit skeptic you know he

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was know a lot of mentalism and lots of

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tricks and he was shrink I don't know if

2944
02:13:42,020 --> 02:13:39,750
this true my he must know me from the

2945
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:42,030
Dutch television and he was think I will

2946
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:45,450
have contact with him and then when he

2947
02:13:52,370 --> 02:13:48,930
was go with me in a friendship then he

2948
02:13:54,830 --> 02:13:52,380
was changed his mind very strong and I

2949
02:13:57,110 --> 02:13:54,840
was getting some evening very strong the

2950
02:14:00,170 --> 02:13:57,120
feeling that I must go to the fields and

2951
02:14:02,270 --> 02:14:00,180
we must go to the fields and he was

2952
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:02,280
seeing like balls above the fields and

2953
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:05,970
they was falling right before his eyes

2954
02:14:11,570 --> 02:14:08,970
also before his eyes and a crop circle

2955
02:14:15,020 --> 02:14:11,580
and that was for him a point from wow

2956
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:15,030
this is real this is absolutely real and

2957
02:14:21,950 --> 02:14:18,000
this has changed his life he is also

2958
02:14:24,260 --> 02:14:21,960
witness also Nancy also stem this dis

2959
02:14:29,060 --> 02:14:24,270
friend and that's that's beautiful for

2960
02:14:31,610 --> 02:14:29,070
me with you Robert now yes yes yeah

2961
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:31,620
thank you would be willing to tell what

2962
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:32,490
he saw

2963
02:14:36,590 --> 02:14:35,250
yes this possible you have Roberts

2964
02:14:38,570 --> 02:14:36,600
friends stan has joined us in the

2965
02:14:42,020 --> 02:14:38,580
microphones Stan what's your last name

2966
02:14:42,890 --> 02:14:42,030
by the way for Alice okay so how long

2967
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:42,900
have you known Robert

2968
02:14:48,890 --> 02:14:45,810
um I think for about four years now big

2969
02:14:50,220 --> 02:14:48,900
four years now do you have a regular job

2970
02:14:52,950 --> 02:14:50,230
or what

2971
02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:52,960
on the moments I'm glad to do a study

2972
02:14:59,780 --> 02:14:55,810
maybe or something else but I'm really

2973
02:15:03,870 --> 02:14:59,790
involved and that has an ability with

2974
02:15:06,330 --> 02:15:03,880
computers yes he's very talented and in

2975
02:15:08,700 --> 02:15:06,340
fact robbery it doesn't have any talent

2976
02:15:11,300 --> 02:15:08,710
there and so he helps Robert with that

2977
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:11,310
he also has many clients whom he helps

2978
02:15:15,810 --> 02:15:14,290
with their computer problems okay Stan

2979
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:15,820
see you're the computer guru of that

2980
02:15:22,380 --> 02:15:19,810
town okay so you went out with Robert on

2981
02:15:25,050 --> 02:15:22,390
this occasion to see crop circles what

2982
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:25,060
was it like for you you mean the time

2983
02:15:32,070 --> 02:15:29,110
that I saw yes yes wants you just to

2984
02:15:34,170 --> 02:15:32,080
tell about that yes this was a very

2985
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:34,180
wonderful event it changed my life

2986
02:15:41,070 --> 02:15:37,530
because I was I was a skeptic in a way I

2987
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:41,080
I was not sure of the reality of all of

2988
02:15:48,330 --> 02:15:44,650
this and when I saw it it was so amazing

2989
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:48,340
so it's really changed my life you and

2990
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:52,410
Robert were simply out riding on a

2991
02:16:02,720 --> 02:15:56,890
motorbike right yes yes I can tell about

2992
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:02,730
that was had a very had the feeling that

2993
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:06,970
something was ready to go in the fields

2994
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:11,890
a circle and there we was on the

2995
02:16:17,550 --> 02:16:15,280
motorbike behind Roberts we were driving

2996
02:16:19,650 --> 02:16:17,560
in the fields and Robert had the feeling

2997
02:16:25,260 --> 02:16:19,660
that there was something going to happen

2998
02:16:28,620 --> 02:16:25,270
and we just drive around and on a moment

2999
02:16:33,709 --> 02:16:28,630
Robert stopped the motorbike and we yes

3000
02:16:37,790 --> 02:16:33,719
we did go to fields and grass fields and

3001
02:16:41,610 --> 02:16:37,800
there was a very how can I tell this

3002
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:41,620
very lovely feeling like another

3003
02:16:46,940 --> 02:16:44,170
consciousness in the area it's a hard to

3004
02:16:50,640 --> 02:16:46,950
explain it's because it's a feeling and

3005
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:50,650
from the moment I think about how

3006
02:16:55,980 --> 02:16:53,410
minutes after that we were standing in

3007
02:16:59,850 --> 02:16:55,990
in the grass fields on this moment there

3008
02:17:00,910 --> 02:16:59,860
was a big orange libel I think six

3009
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:00,920
meters and

3010
02:17:08,259 --> 02:17:05,330
six meters above the grunts in the air

3011
02:17:10,780 --> 02:17:08,269
and it screamed two robots much much and

3012
02:17:11,500 --> 02:17:10,790
I was very big I think the size of a

3013
02:17:15,099 --> 02:17:11,510
football

3014
02:17:18,189 --> 02:17:15,109
orange liable in the air and after that

3015
02:17:21,370 --> 02:17:18,199
the orange libel turns into three line

3016
02:17:24,639 --> 02:17:21,380
rules they're coming to levels from this

3017
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:24,649
one libels and it's very heated amazing

3018
02:17:32,349 --> 02:17:28,639
but I've this field libels change to six

3019
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:32,359
and after that the DVD day is spent in

3020
02:17:38,139 --> 02:17:35,599
here very very quick and so quick that

3021
02:17:42,429 --> 02:17:38,149
you see a line in here and it's line of

3022
02:17:45,790 --> 02:17:42,439
spinning labels that go down and form a

3023
02:17:48,459 --> 02:17:45,800
dress circle before my eyes it's so

3024
02:17:50,769 --> 02:17:48,469
strange and but I tell a story to other

3025
02:17:51,939 --> 02:17:50,779
people they sometimes think I'm crazy

3026
02:17:54,459 --> 02:17:51,949
but it's the truth

3027
02:17:57,549 --> 02:17:54,469
I saw this before my eyes with Robert

3028
02:18:00,040 --> 02:17:57,559
Stan if I remember when you told me

3029
02:18:02,110 --> 02:18:00,050
about this because this was the first

3030
02:18:07,629 --> 02:18:02,120
time that you saw this happen

3031
02:18:09,969 --> 02:18:07,639
you were assured yes yes very - I can

3032
02:18:12,219 --> 02:18:09,979
explain this I've ever lovely feeling

3033
02:18:15,129 --> 02:18:12,229
but this lovely feeling was mixed with a

3034
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:15,139
bit a little shock because I saw

3035
02:18:21,459 --> 02:18:18,170
something that that's against my vision

3036
02:18:24,370 --> 02:18:21,469
of the world I wanted to believe Roberts

3037
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:24,380
because it wasn't nice believe if you

3038
02:18:29,950 --> 02:18:27,290
see it it changed very much that's what

3039
02:18:33,549 --> 02:18:29,960
I hope Chuck to tell people for a long

3040
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:33,559
time that we don't need to sect that and

3041
02:18:40,330 --> 02:18:36,649
other people will believe just because

3042
02:18:42,939 --> 02:18:40,340
we say that's why I write in such detail

3043
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:42,949
about these events but once you've

3044
02:18:47,169 --> 02:18:45,710
actually directly had the experience in

3045
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:47,179
front of your face

3046
02:18:51,450 --> 02:18:49,599
things change very quickly don't they

3047
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:51,460
yes of course

3048
02:18:58,450 --> 02:18:56,090
and then today after that I also need

3049
02:19:05,410 --> 02:18:58,460
the father my mind that it was a dream

3050
02:19:08,110 --> 02:19:05,420
but it doesn't wake up because it was so

3051
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:08,120
insure feeling but also so wonderful to

3052
02:19:12,030 --> 02:19:10,090
see that there is more

3053
02:19:15,419 --> 02:19:12,040
and there is more about the lines of

3054
02:19:17,339 --> 02:19:15,429
reality in science and it is Stan that

3055
02:19:19,169 --> 02:19:17,349
we're speaking with right now ok I

3056
02:19:21,569 --> 02:19:19,179
should ask Stan I want to ask you a

3057
02:19:23,790 --> 02:19:21,579
quick question here let me tell you one

3058
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:23,800
more thing gene sure he's the guy who

3059
02:19:29,330 --> 02:19:26,319
has shot the videotape which has just

3060
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:29,340
been posted on Roberts website where

3061
02:19:35,219 --> 02:19:32,559
Robert was on camera the entire time the

3062
02:19:37,799 --> 02:19:35,229
picture you see there on those pictures

3063
02:19:39,780 --> 02:19:37,809
will be of Stan okay Stan you're gonna

3064
02:19:41,700 --> 02:19:39,790
get famous online and now people in

3065
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:41,710
Facebook are going to want to add you or

3066
02:19:47,669 --> 02:19:45,250
Twitter but obviously we gather you're

3067
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:47,679
more savvy about computers but before

3068
02:19:54,450 --> 02:19:51,850
you met Robert had you ever had any

3069
02:19:57,420 --> 02:19:54,460
experiences in your life that were

3070
02:20:00,420 --> 02:19:57,430
strange or even comprable what you had

3071
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:00,430
with Robert Brown no no not as direct as

3072
02:20:04,439 --> 02:20:02,290
this maybe some things that I fought on

3073
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:04,449
with coincidence some telepathic

3074
02:20:09,179 --> 02:20:06,970
experience when the line is going on off

3075
02:20:10,830 --> 02:20:09,189
when someone call you and you you think

3076
02:20:13,679 --> 02:20:10,840
about the name and you know that this

3077
02:20:16,260 --> 02:20:13,689
general events but this is so direct

3078
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:16,270
I saw something before my eyes and so

3079
02:20:22,859 --> 02:20:19,090
wonderful but before I met Robert I was

3080
02:20:25,410 --> 02:20:22,869
a skeptic but you became less of a

3081
02:20:27,569 --> 02:20:25,420
skeptic after experiencing this stuff

3082
02:20:32,399 --> 02:20:27,579
did you think maybe he was faking it

3083
02:20:35,309 --> 02:20:32,409
what was your feelings I either open

3084
02:20:39,300 --> 02:20:35,319
minds I was thinking that there is an

3085
02:20:42,420 --> 02:20:39,310
option that Robert was faking it I had

3086
02:20:44,819 --> 02:20:42,430
this in my minds as an option and I but

3087
02:20:46,649 --> 02:20:44,829
I didn't believe it was bad I thought

3088
02:20:50,010 --> 02:20:46,659
that he was faking it to inspirate

3089
02:20:51,330 --> 02:20:50,020
people and I was also a magician and a

3090
02:20:54,840 --> 02:20:51,340
person and Mentalist and I was

3091
02:20:58,139 --> 02:20:54,850
interested in faking burnable things you

3092
02:21:00,510 --> 02:20:58,149
so you have faked these things I was a

3093
02:21:03,330 --> 02:21:00,520
magician and Mentalist in the past so

3094
02:21:05,069 --> 02:21:03,340
you understand then like it it takes one

3095
02:21:10,769 --> 02:21:05,079
to know one you know whether or not he's

3096
02:21:13,170 --> 02:21:10,779
faking it because yes you've done okay

3097
02:21:16,769 --> 02:21:13,180
all right we're joined in this episode

3098
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:16,779
by Nancy topic and Robert van den Broeck

3099
02:21:22,340 --> 02:21:19,840
and we're talking to Stan who's Roberts

3100
02:21:24,229 --> 02:21:22,350
computer guru a former

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02:21:25,639 --> 02:21:24,239
bandulus which of course is like the

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American TV show have you seen the

3103
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American TV show by the way Mentalist I

3104
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don't think so

3105
02:21:35,870 --> 02:21:32,819
okay but it's a TV show about a guy as a

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former medalist becomes a consultant for

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02:21:41,570 --> 02:21:38,640
police in California and uses his

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amazing insights in solving processes

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but in your case being a Mentalist being

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somebody who has done this sort of thing

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02:21:51,950 --> 02:21:49,590
you therefore were able to look at what

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he presented to you and determine

3113
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:53,970
whether and I was true is that correct

3114
02:21:58,760 --> 02:21:56,399
well he's on in front of his eyes the

3115
02:22:01,280 --> 02:21:58,770
crop circle happen sure we understand

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that after that point after the crop

3117
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circle I was very sure that at least a

3118
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big part of Robert is real and it's very

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logic that then you see that's that

3120
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there is no option yet but no with

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Robert Van den Broeck an anti Talbot

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[Music]

3229
02:26:43,660 --> 02:26:42,000
this is Jim Mosley get her a saucer

3230
02:26:45,910 --> 02:26:43,670
smear and

3231
02:26:48,310 --> 02:26:45,920
to say a good word or two about the para

3232
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:48,320
cast which I believe is the gold

3233
02:26:59,469 --> 02:26:51,290
standard of paranormal radio listen to

3234
02:27:01,690 --> 02:26:59,479
it if you can so this story has taken a

3235
02:27:04,030 --> 02:27:01,700
wider spectrum because we have someone

3236
02:27:07,330 --> 02:27:04,040
now who Roberts known for four or five

3237
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:07,340
years Stan who knows when there are

3238
02:27:09,730 --> 02:27:08,000
fakes

3239
02:27:11,980 --> 02:27:09,740
and would be able to figure out when

3240
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:11,990
there's a fake but now we see something

3241
02:27:17,650 --> 02:27:14,410
that he regards as the real thing yes

3242
02:27:21,219 --> 02:27:17,660
the video evidence of william gazecki

3243
02:27:24,610 --> 02:27:21,229
and don't forget a hundreds and hundreds

3244
02:27:27,340 --> 02:27:24,620
and hundreds of clients of robert's over

3245
02:27:29,950 --> 02:27:27,350
all these years who have also witnessed

3246
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:29,960
many of these things themselves so when

3247
02:27:34,780 --> 02:27:32,240
we add up to date here and this is the

3248
02:27:36,969 --> 02:27:34,790
problem that you saw and i think i try

3249
02:27:39,969 --> 02:27:36,979
to illustrate to you here and that is

3250
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:39,979
it's very very difficult to convince

3251
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:42,170
someone who doesn't believe any of this

3252
02:27:45,940 --> 02:27:44,210
stuff that it's real because they can

3253
02:27:48,190 --> 02:27:45,950
always find the alternate explanation

3254
02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:48,200
which is okay he's got these photos they

3255
02:27:53,410 --> 02:27:50,930
could be done in photoshop and we have

3256
02:27:55,719 --> 02:27:53,420
to compare the word if you're calling

3257
02:27:59,440 --> 02:27:55,729
all of us liars and then the point being

3258
02:28:01,330 --> 02:27:59,450
here is that any photo of a UFO or

3259
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:01,340
strange phenomenon can be faked

3260
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:04,160
you've got to depend on the people who

3261
02:28:07,510 --> 02:28:05,810
report these things as to whether

3262
02:28:09,969 --> 02:28:07,520
they're telling the truth or not yes

3263
02:28:14,350 --> 02:28:09,979
that's very true if you're not open to

3264
02:28:16,900 --> 02:28:14,360
these possibilities then you probably

3265
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:16,910
won't bother to inform yourself if you

3266
02:28:21,940 --> 02:28:20,330
are open to these possibilities there's

3267
02:28:24,820 --> 02:28:21,950
a lot of evidence in this particular

3268
02:28:29,020 --> 02:28:24,830
case and in I think many others that

3269
02:28:32,920 --> 02:28:29,030
very unusual energetic situations exist

3270
02:28:35,679 --> 02:28:32,930
whether they are completely natural in

3271
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:35,689
nature spontaneous energies that exist

3272
02:28:43,330 --> 02:28:39,050
we don't yet know what we know is that

3273
02:28:47,620 --> 02:28:43,340
some people have the ability to transmit

3274
02:28:50,830 --> 02:28:47,630
or act as a medium for these energies

3275
02:28:54,400 --> 02:28:50,840
and a whole range of amazing things can

3276
02:28:56,310 --> 02:28:54,410
then happen I'd also like to remind

3277
02:28:57,900 --> 02:28:56,320
people and there

3278
02:29:00,990 --> 02:28:57,910
some of these clips are posted on

3279
02:29:04,171 --> 02:29:01,000
YouTube and also on Roberts website and

3280
02:29:06,570 --> 02:29:04,181
I've put some still photos in the most

3281
02:29:09,570 --> 02:29:06,580
recent article I've written about

3282
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:09,580
Roberts new website the filmmaker

3283
02:29:16,620 --> 02:29:12,610
william gazecki from hollywood who did

3284
02:29:19,140 --> 02:29:16,630
the quest for truth video about crop

3285
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:19,150
circles some years ago went to visit

3286
02:29:25,591 --> 02:29:23,110
Robert in December of 2010 and his

3287
02:29:29,100 --> 02:29:25,601
purpose was we're trying to see if we

3288
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:29,110
can get a DVD eventually shot about

3289
02:29:36,330 --> 02:29:33,130
Robert and he went to see whether or not

3290
02:29:38,580 --> 02:29:36,340
they would get along whether or not the

3291
02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:38,590
strange things would occur when he was

3292
02:29:44,850 --> 02:29:41,710
present he took a long professional of

3293
02:29:50,730 --> 02:29:44,860
video equipment and the very first night

3294
02:29:54,421 --> 02:29:50,740
that he was with Robert the unending to

3295
02:29:57,870 --> 02:29:54,431
occur Robert felt this and William

3296
02:29:59,820 --> 02:29:57,880
turned on his video camera followed

3297
02:30:02,490 --> 02:29:59,830
Robert around the house until Robert got

3298
02:30:05,820 --> 02:30:02,500
to a spot where he felt that the

3299
02:30:08,520 --> 02:30:05,830
energies were concentrated and William

3300
02:30:11,430 --> 02:30:08,530
was filming the entire time and what you

3301
02:30:15,001 --> 02:30:11,440
hear is Robert talking to William back

3302
02:30:17,011 --> 02:30:15,011
and forth and you see Robert with the

3303
02:30:17,671 --> 02:30:17,021
digital camera held up in front of his

3304
02:30:20,700 --> 02:30:17,681
face

3305
02:30:23,730 --> 02:30:20,710
clicking away periodically stopping

3306
02:30:27,421 --> 02:30:23,740
every so often to tell William that this

3307
02:30:30,060 --> 02:30:27,431
is a man that he has died of bladder

3308
02:30:32,881 --> 02:30:30,070
cancer he goes on then a little bit

3309
02:30:35,640 --> 02:30:32,891
later and he says his name it is Aaron

3310
02:30:37,711 --> 02:30:35,650
Aaron and they discussed that back and

3311
02:30:40,291 --> 02:30:37,721
forth meanwhile Robert is clicking and

3312
02:30:43,381 --> 02:30:40,301
the video is registering this whole time

3313
02:30:46,591 --> 02:30:43,391
at the end of the 15 or 20 minute

3314
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:46,601
session they then stopped and the video

3315
02:30:52,921 --> 02:30:49,690
camera comes in close behind Roberts LED

3316
02:30:56,131 --> 02:30:52,931
screen and Robert starts clicking back

3317
02:30:59,940 --> 02:30:56,141
through the images to see if anything

3318
02:31:03,270 --> 02:30:59,950
has in fact appeared what has come on

3319
02:31:05,970 --> 02:31:03,280
that very first session were very clear

3320
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:05,980
images two totally different ones of a

3321
02:31:11,610 --> 02:31:07,930
man named Aaron Russo

3322
02:31:13,700 --> 02:31:11,620
who it turns out unbeknownst to me or

3323
02:31:17,790 --> 02:31:13,710
Robert or anybody other than William

3324
02:31:21,330 --> 02:31:17,800
this was Williams mentor in the film

3325
02:31:24,450 --> 02:31:21,340
business years ago he did die of bladder

3326
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:24,460
cancer his name of course was Aaron and

3327
02:31:29,940 --> 02:31:27,490
Robert also got during the time he was

3328
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:29,950
shooting these pictures the words

3329
02:31:37,650 --> 02:31:34,240
freedom freedom fighter freedom and it

3330
02:31:41,460 --> 02:31:37,660
turns out that on this man's gravestone

3331
02:31:44,130 --> 02:31:41,470
are printed the words freedom fighter

3332
02:31:47,730 --> 02:31:44,140
now william gazecki was obviously very

3333
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:47,740
amazed at this I had no knowledge about

3334
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:49,210
we had never heard of him

3335
02:31:54,210 --> 02:31:51,760
Robert had never heard of him that this

3336
02:31:57,150 --> 02:31:54,220
would be the very first image to come

3337
02:31:59,011 --> 02:31:57,160
when William was present Robert had

3338
02:32:01,250 --> 02:31:59,021
never met William before really knew

3339
02:32:04,770 --> 02:32:01,260
nothing about him that this man this

3340
02:32:07,950 --> 02:32:04,780
Aaron Russo who was so important to

3341
02:32:10,410 --> 02:32:07,960
William what appear was kind of amazing

3342
02:32:13,110 --> 02:32:10,420
on the second night that William was

3343
02:32:16,410 --> 02:32:13,120
there the energies came back again and

3344
02:32:21,180 --> 02:32:16,420
this time it was John Lennon who

3345
02:32:24,540 --> 02:32:21,190
appeared now Lennon oh boy Lennon died

3346
02:32:27,540 --> 02:32:24,550
in the year that Robert was born and he

3347
02:32:30,060 --> 02:32:27,550
died in December 1980 to be specific

3348
02:32:33,091 --> 02:32:30,070
exactly and Robert was born in May of

3349
02:32:35,460 --> 02:32:33,101
1980 he had no Robert had no particular

3350
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:35,470
knowledge he was aware of the Beatles of

3351
02:32:40,980 --> 02:32:37,680
course and he'd heard John Lennon's name

3352
02:32:43,140 --> 02:32:40,990
but he was not aware of the music

3353
02:32:46,591 --> 02:32:43,150
particularly it was way before his time

3354
02:32:49,170 --> 02:32:46,601
and during the videotape of that session

3355
02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:49,180
you see Harper time the part that

3356
02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:51,250
touched me the most was at one point

3357
02:32:57,301 --> 02:32:54,250
Robert was getting the name he was

3358
02:33:00,301 --> 02:32:57,311
describing John and he was getting the

3359
02:33:02,610 --> 02:33:00,311
name but he was very hesitant to

3360
02:33:05,720 --> 02:33:02,620
actually say it he couldn't believe it

3361
02:33:09,150 --> 02:33:05,730
actually and finally he turned to

3362
02:33:14,220 --> 02:33:09,160
William and he said his name is John

3363
02:33:17,580 --> 02:33:14,230
it's John Lennon and then he apologized

3364
02:33:20,310 --> 02:33:17,590
to John because he didn't know his music

3365
02:33:21,361 --> 02:33:20,320
he said I'm so sorry I didn't know your

3366
02:33:23,821 --> 02:33:21,371
music

3367
02:33:27,031 --> 02:33:23,831
so sorry but in fact it was John Lennon

3368
02:33:31,411 --> 02:33:27,041
and interspersed with the images of the

3369
02:33:33,901 --> 02:33:31,421
Lennon was a creature which I think

3370
02:33:36,331 --> 02:33:33,911
Robert called that one a Starchild

3371
02:33:39,031 --> 02:33:36,341
didn't you Robert yes that's absolutely

3372
02:33:42,121 --> 02:33:39,041
true yes that's what's coming often we

3373
02:33:44,941 --> 02:33:42,131
have many other images videotaped images

3374
02:33:48,121 --> 02:33:44,951
and eventually we're hoping that we can

3375
02:33:52,191 --> 02:33:48,131
raise the money to put together a DVD

3376
02:33:54,871 --> 02:33:52,201
that will give people a better overview

3377
02:33:57,411 --> 02:33:54,881
where you've got a video camera running

3378
02:34:00,600 --> 02:33:57,421
the entire time Robert does these things

3379
02:34:02,131 --> 02:34:00,610
because then it's very easy to see that

3380
02:34:04,381 --> 02:34:02,141
he's not holding anything in front of

3381
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:04,391
the camera that the chip in the cameras

3382
02:34:09,631 --> 02:34:07,690
brand-new you know etc etc well this

3383
02:34:11,701 --> 02:34:09,641
raises the biggest question of all here

3384
02:34:13,890 --> 02:34:11,711
which is obviously as you can see from

3385
02:34:15,901 --> 02:34:13,900
the question as I asked for our

3386
02:34:18,301 --> 02:34:15,911
listeners there are natural areas of

3387
02:34:20,791 --> 02:34:18,311
skepticism that people are going to

3388
02:34:22,801 --> 02:34:20,801
voice about claims of this sort in the

3389
02:34:24,390 --> 02:34:22,811
end how do you interest mainstream

3390
02:34:27,771 --> 02:34:24,400
scientists they're going to look at this

3391
02:34:31,861 --> 02:34:27,781
and say oh just a bunch of silliness

3392
02:34:34,881 --> 02:34:31,871
seriously if you tell me how I guarantee

3393
02:34:37,531 --> 02:34:34,891
you will do it if I knew I would be

3394
02:34:40,111 --> 02:34:37,541
opening my store tomorrow and selling

3395
02:34:42,301 --> 02:34:40,121
the plan I don't know what the plan is

3396
02:34:44,911 --> 02:34:42,311
way to all of us who are trying to

3397
02:34:47,131 --> 02:34:44,921
understand what these things are where

3398
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:47,141
they come from what they mean but I

3399
02:34:50,701 --> 02:34:48,730
think the key is here is how do you

3400
02:34:52,591 --> 02:34:50,711
convince people who are naturally

3401
02:34:54,481 --> 02:34:52,601
skeptical and you understand why they're

3402
02:34:57,720 --> 02:34:54,491
skeptical this is outside of their

3403
02:34:59,731 --> 02:34:57,730
experience it's very unusual they can

3404
02:35:02,281 --> 02:34:59,741
see and some of our listeners have

3405
02:35:05,640 --> 02:35:02,291
already pointed out that there are ways

3406
02:35:07,711 --> 02:35:05,650
other ways to reproduce these effects

3407
02:35:09,871 --> 02:35:07,721
and therefore you have to take people at

3408
02:35:11,761 --> 02:35:09,881
their word that they're the straight and

3409
02:35:13,741 --> 02:35:11,771
narrow but how then do you bring

3410
02:35:16,081 --> 02:35:13,751
scientists into this and say okay let's

3411
02:35:19,111 --> 02:35:16,091
investigate we don't wanna make Robert

3412
02:35:22,621 --> 02:35:19,121
Sewell a brat remember Jean it is not

3413
02:35:24,901 --> 02:35:22,631
our job it's not my job nobody pays me

3414
02:35:27,691 --> 02:35:24,911
to do this it's not Roberts job nobody

3415
02:35:31,861 --> 02:35:27,701
pays him to do this it's not our job to

3416
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:31,871
convince anybody it is our job simply to

3417
02:35:38,219 --> 02:35:35,170
prevent to present the information

3418
02:35:41,610 --> 02:35:38,229
we have in the clearest format we can

3419
02:35:45,240 --> 02:35:41,620
and offer it to those people who choose

3420
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:45,250
to then inform themselves more

3421
02:35:48,480 --> 02:35:47,050
thoroughly if they if they're not

3422
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:48,490
interested they're not interested that's

3423
02:35:51,690 --> 02:35:50,410
fine I'll tell you what Nancy tell our

3424
02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:51,700
listeners where they can find more

3425
02:35:56,520 --> 02:35:53,439
information about what you're working on

3426
02:36:04,370 --> 02:35:56,530
the two websites to pay attention to

3427
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:14,460
www.hyken.com and we have both sites by

3428
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:17,920
the way linked at the podcast comm blt

3429
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,170
research and Robert's own site so you

3430
02:36:24,920 --> 02:36:22,720
can check out their information and for

3431
02:36:27,929 --> 02:36:24,930
Robert site keep your google translator

3432
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:27,939
working so that you can translate

3433
02:36:33,630 --> 02:36:30,970
everything to English - you like you

3434
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:33,640
will do Chris are Brian by the ways new

3435
02:36:37,770 --> 02:36:36,130
site our strange planet comes to being

3436
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:37,780
develop you have the existing site the

3437
02:36:41,400 --> 02:36:40,000
new word is gonna come up soon Nancy and

3438
02:36:54,369 --> 02:36:41,410
Robert thank you both for joining us

3439
02:37:00,800 --> 02:36:57,889
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3440
02:37:03,790 --> 02:37:00,810
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3441
02:37:07,729 --> 02:37:03,800
presentation of making the impossible